In the homework thread one of the issues that's cropped up is the question of what is it that makes a person a 'successful' person. How do we measure the value of a person's life? Is it even possible?
So, what say you Lit-net? What makes a person a 'successful' person?
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Like a person who has pleased Almighty God so much that he has got a place in heaven?
(That should have some weight if you are a believer!)
I sang of leaves, of leaves of gold, and leaves of gold there grew.
It depends on the field in which one is successful i guess.
Through the darkness of future past
the magician longs to see
one chance out between two worlds
'Fire walk with me.'
Twin Peaks
Success has many aspects from one's point of view & its differs
To set a goal in your life & then achieve it is known as success , to have a dream come true is a success . Tow ork hard , day & nyt for getting a higher position is a success.
And such person is successful...
Somehow when a person has a very high morals , & behaviour , everyone loves him
though got a simple job but have a happy family .. is also called a successful person
To love and to be loved is the greatest happiness in the world , and when u get that u r also a successful person .
What matter in being successful , is that we r content about what we have & to work hard to obtain a higher position with hard work , with faith & not cheeting.
Success requires honesty in what we do , coz we way get what we want but not in a legal way .
"He is asleep. Though his mettle was sorely tried,
He lived, and when he lost his angel, died.
It happened calmly, on its own,
The way the night comes when day is done."
Success is whatever the individual defines it to be.
An eclectic collection of learned behaviors.
Success is when you're satisfied?
A person who is happy with themselves and has accomplished the things they have aspired to do in their life. Only the individual should be measuring the individual's success- we all have our own goals and trials and obstacles along the way to overcome. No goals are more or less lofty than any others.
Naked except for a cigarette, you let your mind drift and forget your disbelief. Feel the chill down your back and the flutter of wings through dandelion fields, and forget the pull of gravity in a night without stars.
I lack eloquence and commitment to my arguments. They are half baked, and I will begin passionately, and then abandon them.
To consider the individual is one way of evaluating success ...
However, there's some sort of "truth" (or "general situation/circumstance") that makes us be human beings, able to relate with each other, and not [being] each of us completely detached from the other.
So, I agree that success has something to do with personality, and with will. A person who doesn't know what he wants will never reach anything.
I think success has a lot to do with faith, all right. Even if faith in yourself. For those who worship a god, with pleasing his god ...
Success has something to do with the general things worshipped, as well ... But the limits of the general things everyone worship and real success is personality and personal choices, including about religion, ethics, politics, deeds, virtues, transgressions ...
Interesting matter to discuss, this one.
& Complex ... Not a shallow subject.
Libri*
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Someone who is happy doing what they do.
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(EDIT: I seem to have elaborated on what MattG already said, so if you don't care for long posts, his sentence sums the following up!)
I just read Death of a Salesman, and I must say, Willy Loman was an interesting character in that he was obsessed with the American dream---that the fulfilment of this dream equalled success. He even indoctrinated his boys, especially Biff, into following this dream, even though there was the possibility that the life of the American "go-getter" wasn't right for Biff. Willy says:Originally Posted by TheFifthElement
"That's why I thank Almighty God you're both built like Adonises. Because the man who makes an appearance in the business world, the man who creates personal interest, is the man who gets ahead. Be liked and you will never want. You take me, for instance. I never have to wait in line to see a buyer. "Willy Loman is here!" That's all they have to know, and I go right through."
Evidently, success is determined by making an appearance according to Willy.
However, I don't buy this.I merely added it because it pertained the the subject and I found it interesting.
I believe we can only value our own lives in order to determine success. People's notion of successfulness vary. Some might find that bringing up a few good kids is success, while others, like Willy Loman, would argue that fulfilling the American dream is true success. While I consider my mom a successful person (she raised me and my twin brother!), I wouldn't consider Willy Loman to be successful. In the end, it depends on the individual's notion of success, whether or not we can judge them to be successful or unsuccessful.
com-pas-sion (n.) [ME. & OFr. <LL. (Ec.) compassio, sympathy < compassus, pp. of compati, to feel pity < L. com-, together + pali, to suffer] sorrow for the sufferings or trouble of another or others, accompanied by an urge to help; deep sympathy; pity
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success is living up to others' standards, realizing these are your own as well.
or at least i think so.
For instance ... What's the relation between success and transgression?
I am success.
'A bird may love a fish signore, but where would they live?'
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I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things that money can buy.
Glad to hear it
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It started with the movie, Wall Street, then the dot.com happened. I don't think people realize the impact the dot-com era had and still has on the collective psyche, despite the calamity that occurred in its aftermath, ushering in a whole new way of looking at weath and how to get it; turning the Carnegie-Rockefeller model on its head in favor of walking and talking with all the bravado of a khaki-wearing computer geek named Bill Gates. I'm not talking about the temperate do-gooder Bill Gates, I'm talking about the one who ate Netscape software and spit it out at federal court judges who said in reply, "Sir yes sir Mr. Gates whatever you say Mr. Gates sir."
In today's marketplace it doesn't matter if you're a doctor or lawyer, whether you have a JD, MBA or Ph.D---if you have a degree and it's working for you, great, way to go---if not, then you're doing something wrong---get with it man or be a loser. The only thing that's changed in the last ten years is the speed at which one is expected to make profit, but lingering is the idea of financial independence, still perceived as being very real and attainable.
Capital-S Success is measured by how financially independent a person is. In America, on one level, it's about cars and big houses and brand clothes, but people are more skeptical nowadays about how one paid for such items and so they look at a person's disposable income---that is, what you have in your wallet besides plastic. I'm talking the kind of thing you press your nose up against and sniff hard or even lick and people will still want to be your friend.
How much cash do you have in your pocket today?
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