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    Understanding Michel Foucault

    I knew nothing of Michel Foucault before I started using the web and discussion groups to try to broaden my readings of philosophy. His observations about the social repression and manipulation of the physical body fascinate me, and they make him an important thinker in the disabled community, but I do not have enough understanding of his development of power-knowledge to know where he is between the poles of metaphysics and post-structuralism. I am still reading his Displine & Punish, The Birth of The Prison.

    Can anyone assist me in puzzling him out a bit further?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jozanny View Post
    I knew nothing of Michel Foucault before I started using the web and discussion groups to try to broaden my readings of philosophy. His observations about the social repression and manipulation of the physical body fascinate me, and they make him an important thinker in the disabled community, but I do not have enough understanding of his development of power-knowledge to know where he is between the poles of metaphysics and post-structuralism. I am still reading his Displine & Punish, The Birth of The Prison.

    Can anyone assist me in puzzling him out a bit further?
    Foucault is actually anti-Metaphysics. Almost nothing really exists for Foucault, except how we define it (all knowledge and history is contingent on society for Foucalt). Well, I'm sure literally he accepts that a chair exists, but how we think of a chair, why we named it a chair, how we developed the arts of chair-making are tied to socio-cultural historical process rooted in a particular needs of the power-knowledge relationships in society.

    He is applying many of the post-structuralist principles of language to history. A word only refers to another word, which only then refers to more words is the meat and potatoes of Deconstructionism. For Foucault historical developments are equally as insular. History is vertical as opposed to linear for Foucault; he challenges the idea of the story-narrative version of history where one historical period follows another, which follows another, filled with many great individuals (Alexander the Great, Socrates, Saladin). According to the implications of his theory, history isn't a product of individual Great Men or subjectivities, or even a linear narrative where one events LOGICALLY (keyword here) follows another, rather history is a product of its discourses in a given period and society. One historical age is completely different than another historical age. You understand a historical period not by looking at the ages and societies that surrounded it or its major events, but rather turn to the archives and study the discourses both high and low. What you'll find according to Foucault is general themes to different periods that change with a given historical moment and society. You might think of them as rules that govern speech, thought, and writing. These invisible rules control what can or cannot be articulated, what a given society is capable or incapable of thinking about. They aren't to be understood as literal rules, but rather as sort of broad themes that pre-occupy a given culture at a given historical period. The reason history is vertical (one period is completely different from another) is because of these rules of discourse called the episteme. It would literally be impossible for someone from our period to completely understand the historical period of another period, and vice-versa the discourses of another period would not make sense for us because we try to project our own central concerns and rules onto previous history to make sense of it (even if we are both speaking English it'd still be like we were talking two different languages).

    So in Discipline and Punishment there is an episteme centered around the body, which then shifts to the episteme centered around the soul. Foucault attempts to document this shift by looking at the historical institution of the penal system. The practices of how you run your prison for example and the institutions surrounding it will change its associate knowledge to reflect the change in the episteme. Torture is the main form of punishment when the episteme centers on the body (Foucault also points out a correlation with the given economic system at the time; he associates the body with Middle Ages and Serfdom), while the shift to the soul makes torture obsolete, replacing it with psychiatry, self-analysis, penal rules, criminology; all methods not meant to hurt the body, but to transform the soul (Foucault points out the shift correlates with the rise of Capitalism. Such a system requires control of the soul rather than physical torture).

    I should add by soul Foucault doesn't mean some metaphysical pre-existing entity, hence why I said earlier than Foucault is anti-Metaphysics. Rather a person's "soul" is just a social product of power-knowledge like anything else. We literally invented the concept of the soul. All beliefs, all possible thoughts, all utterances, and discourse is a product of power-knowledge governed by the episteme of a given age. Even your original post, and my post that I am writing now is a product of power and a product of someone writing is a given point in history.

    The Panopticon serves as the central metaphor that Foucault turns to describe how power works. All knowledge, even the most innocuous kind, is inherently tied with power according to Foucault. The implications of all this is that our subjectivity is basically bound to historical processes beyond our control. He uses the prison to demonstrate how power-knowledge works; a delinquent goes into prison; the law (a form knowledge bound with power) establish what constitutes delinquent behavior in the first place (it may be his or her first offense), then within the prison she or he is subjected to all sorts of techniques of power-knowledge within the prison (watch by guards, charts of progress and behavior, experts in the field of crimonology, psychiatrists, prison rules, other prisoners), he or she tries to conform to these rules and expectations (in other words she or he transforms his or her behavior to fit these various groups who produce knowledge about him), this power-knowledge transforms him or her into the very delinquent they accuse him or her of being (literally they harden these qualities of his or her identity), he or she gets to leave jail after doing their time, she or he repeats his or her crime, power-knowledge of delinquency has further proof that its truths are correct (see we have a delinquent who repeated his crimes, so he or she must be a delinquent), he or she returns to jail, the whole process begins again, and the subject sinks further into the truth about itself created by power-knowledge.

    Foucault by the end suggests this not only applies to particular sub-groups like delinquents, but all people living within society in all aspects of their lives (in school, at work, in their relationships, walking down a street, going into a Dunkin Donuts, etc.).

    I'd also add power is not ONLY repressive for Foucault. Since power is intimately tied with knowledge--in fact the two words are pretty much synonymous--power must also be productive. It produces knowledge, it produces human diversity, it produces all human thought, all human interaction; it isn't necessarily a bad thing, and in fact, it is impossible to ever escape power or step outside of it according to Foucault. Foucault hits on this point of power being productive more in The History of Sexuality V. 1, which attempts to challenge the Victorian notion of the Repressive Hypothesis. Power as Foucault points out doesn't only say "No." Power quite often says, "yes."

    Does that help you puzzle him out a bit further?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkshadow03 View Post
    Foucault is actually anti-Metaphysics. Almost nothing really exists for Foucault, except how we define it (all knowledge and history is contingent on society for Foucalt). Well, I'm sure literally he accepts that a chair exists, but how we think of a chair, why we named it a chair, how we developed the arts of chair-making are tied to socio-cultural historical process rooted in a particular needs of the power-knowledge relationships in society.

    He is applying many of the post-structuralist principles of language to history. A word only refers to another word, which only then refers to more words is the meat and potatoes of Deconstructionism. For Foucault historical developments are equally as insular. History is vertical as opposed to linear for Foucault; he challenges the idea of the story-narrative version of history where one historical period follows another, which follows another, filled with many great individuals (Alexander the Great, Socrates, Saladin). According to the implications of his theory, history isn't a product of individual Great Men or subjectivities, or even a linear narrative where one events LOGICALLY (keyword here) follows another, rather history is a product of its discourses in a given period and society. One historical age is completely different than another historical age. You understand a historical period not by looking at the ages and societies that surrounded it or its major events, but rather turn to the archives and study the discourses both high and low. What you'll find according to Foucault is general themes to different periods that change with a given historical moment and society. You might think of them as rules that govern speech, thought, and writing. These invisible rules control what can or cannot be articulated, what a given society is capable or incapable of thinking about. They aren't to be understood as literal rules, but rather as sort of broad themes that pre-occupy a given culture at a given historical period. The reason history is vertical (one period is completely different from another) is because of these rules of discourse called the episteme. It would literally be impossible for someone from our period to completely understand the historical period of another period, and vice-versa the discourses of another period would not make sense for us because we try to project our own central concerns and rules onto previous history to make sense of it (even if we are both speaking English it'd still be like we were talking two different languages).

    So in Discipline and Punishment there is an episteme centered around the body, which then shifts to the episteme centered around the soul. Foucault attempts to document this shift by looking at the historical institution of the penal system. The practices of how you run your prison for example and the institutions surrounding it will change its associate knowledge to reflect the change in the episteme. Torture is the main form of punishment when the episteme centers on the body (Foucault also points out a correlation with the given economic system at the time; he associates the body with Middle Ages and Serfdom), while the shift to the soul makes torture obsolete, replacing it with psychiatry, self-analysis, penal rules, criminology; all methods not meant to hurt the body, but to transform the soul (Foucault points out the shift correlates with the rise of Capitalism. Such a system requires control of the soul rather than physical torture).

    I should add by soul Foucault doesn't mean some metaphysical pre-existing entity, hence why I said earlier than Foucault is anti-Metaphysics. Rather a person's "soul" is just a social product of power-knowledge like anything else. We literally invented the concept of the soul. All beliefs, all possible thoughts, all utterances, and discourse is a product of power-knowledge governed by the episteme of a given age. Even your original post, and my post that I am writing now is a product of power and a product of someone writing is a given point in history.

    The Panopticon serves as the central metaphor that Foucault turns to describe how power works. All knowledge, even the most innocuous kind, is inherently tied with power according to Foucault. The implications of all this is that our subjectivity is basically bound to historical processes beyond our control. He uses the prison to demonstrate how power-knowledge works; a delinquent goes into prison; the law (a form knowledge bound with power) establish what constitutes delinquent behavior in the first place (it may be his or her first offense), then within the prison she or he is subjected to all sorts of techniques of power-knowledge within the prison (watch by guards, charts of progress and behavior, experts in the field of crimonology, psychiatrists, prison rules, other prisoners), he or she tries to conform to these rules and expectations (in other words she or he transforms his or her behavior to fit these various groups who produce knowledge about him), this power-knowledge transforms him or her into the very delinquent they accuse him or her of being (literally they harden these qualities of his or her identity), he or she gets to leave jail after doing their time, she or he repeats his or her crime, power-knowledge of delinquency has further proof that its truths are correct (see we have a delinquent who repeated his crimes, so he or she must be a delinquent), he or she returns to jail, the whole process begins again, and the subject sinks further into the truth about itself created by power-knowledge.

    Foucault by the end suggests this not only applies to particular sub-groups like delinquents, but all people living within society in all aspects of their lives (in school, at work, in their relationships, walking down a street, going into a Dunkin Donuts, etc.).

    I'd also add power is not ONLY repressive for Foucault. Since power is intimately tied with knowledge--in fact the two words are pretty much synonymous--power must also be productive. It produces knowledge, it produces human diversity, it produces all human thought, all human interaction; it isn't necessarily a bad thing, and in fact, it is impossible to ever escape power or step outside of it according to Foucault. Foucault hits on this point of power being productive more in The History of Sexuality V. 1, which attempts to challenge the Victorian notion of the Repressive Hypothesis. Power as Foucault points out doesn't only say "No." Power quite often says, "yes."

    Does that help you puzzle him out a bit further?
    Nice synopsis actually. I wish his translator, in the addition I have, had provided a note about power-knowledge for the lay reader. My problem with joining a Foucault forum is that I am neither post-graduate nor very well versed in the post-structuralist lexicon--but, The Literature Network forums do not have quite the depth I'd like for discussion. I have to find the right niche for myself, but at times it becomes frustrating.

    I had a love hate relationship with Yahoo Reading Groups. Some of them get so concerned with their intra-spoiler rules and processes that they don't really service insights into the works selected.

    But I think Foucault is important for me because disability activism, is, to put it mildly, dysfunctional--and Foucault seems to have developed a framework that I can apply in terms of what's wrong with it.

    Which is somewhat different than yours and JBI's antagonism. I think it is undeserved. Derrida may now be passe, and I am not sure I will ever understand deconstruction either *in the zone* or out of it, but I don't think Foucault makes Derrida's claims.

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    I'm rather ignorant of Foucault as well, yet from what know about him and his context in philosophy Foucault does provide some insightful views and ideas.

    The thought of Foucault has been influential in contemporary politics (such as the rights of "marginal" or minority groups, e.g. homosexuals, those considered mentally ill) and the humanities and social sciences, due to his views about knowledge (especially "discourse", which emphasises that bodies of knowledge like science or alchemy are contingent, historical bodies of rules and practices. This disables the likes of a particular discourse, like science, to be "objective" or "truthful" [best thought of as perfect, accurate representation] because all discourses are by definition contingent, meaning there cannot be a priviledged discourse which can perfectly describe reality).

    Foucault, like post-structuralists (I don't know if Foucault is a post-structuralist, but I can see similarities) emphasises difference or rather attacks "given" and taken for granted knowledge which is considered 'normal'.
    When Foucault analyses a discourse like psychiatry or sexuality in bourgeoisie society he undermines it in the same why Nietzsche undermines conventional morality, that is good and evil. This undermining uses a genealogical method, which shows the concepts of a discourse, like conventional morality, to be contingent and not natural or accurate knowledge (Foucault has many ties to Nietzsche, he even called himself a Nietzschean but I understand he later revoked the title). Nietzsche for example said the idea of good being altruistic emphasising patience and modesty isn't the true meaning of goodness, these meanings only occurred because of Judaism and more so due to Christianity. Nietzsche has similar thoughts about knowledge with Foucault I believe, as Nietzsche thought true knowledge about the nature of reality (metaphysics) was unattainable therefore not real & false, also the idea of truth is fictitious and made up & accepted (there is no Truth, with a capital t).
    I don't know Foucault's precise stance towards metaphysics, but I'm guessing he does away with metaphysics and thinks it's a foolish project. This would be the most intelligent and consistent position for someone who says we can only have discourses of knowledge, without a perfect, privileged discourse.


    Drkshadow03, your post is probably the most informative I've read on this forum. It helped someone like myself who hasn't read enough of Foucault himself get fuller comprehension.
    The idea of oppression or repression being productive is a smart understanding which overcomes a lot of previous (mis)understandings, especially marxist informed understandings. Why do oppressed people remain oppressed and even seem to perpetuate or allow their own oppression? This question has troubled Marx, Freud and others. Foucault is smart to state that the oppressed people get something out of being oppressed (whether it's just an identity, knowing how one is to live in the world), like some kind of masochistic joy. Masochism, to elaborate the problem of self-oppressing, is why Freud theorised the death drive. I agree with Foucault that people who are oppressed aren't simply really fooled and deluded, but in some way perpetuate their own situation. Conceptualising this downward spiral people can get into has better explanatory power than there being a vigilant, omnipresent superstructure which is always controlling & misleading people.


    Derrida I think is still one of the most active forces in contemporary philosophy, although I find it hard to rank and properly consider the influence of thinkers after the plethora of mid to late 20th century thought. I'm not sure if Foucault aligns with Derrida's claims either. There is too much to know, that I don't know


    It is near impossible to justly talk about a person's thought in entirety as it is to talk about a "school" of thought like existentialism or phenomenology. Just talking about Foucault and metaphysics alone is a vast discussion, likewise with Foucault and complicated post-structuralism (which I only have a very preliminary grasp of). I might read up a bit on Foucault and metaphysics then comeback into discussion. Thanks for the thought-provoking posts Jozanny and Drkshadow03, as it is hard to find such detailed discussion on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CognitiveArtist View Post
    Drkshadow03, your post is probably the most informative I've read on this forum. It helped someone like myself who hasn't read enough of Foucault himself get fuller comprehension.
    The idea of oppression or repression being productive is a smart understanding which overcomes a lot of previous (mis)understandings, especially marxist informed understandings. Why do oppressed people remain oppressed and even seem to perpetuate or allow their own oppression? This question has troubled Marx, Freud and others. Foucault is smart to state that the oppressed people get something out of being oppressed (whether it's just an identity, knowing how one is to live in the world), like some kind of masochistic joy. Masochism, to elaborate the problem of self-oppressing, is why Freud theorised the death drive. I agree with Foucault that people who are oppressed aren't simply really fooled and deluded, but in some way perpetuate their own situation. Conceptualising this downward spiral people can get into has better explanatory power than there being a vigilant, omnipresent superstructure which is always controlling & misleading people.


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    It is near impossible to justly talk about a person's thought in entirety as it is to talk about a "school" of thought like existentialism or phenomenology. Just talking about Foucault and metaphysics alone is a vast discussion, likewise with Foucault and complicated post-structuralism (which I only have a very preliminary grasp of). I might read up a bit on Foucault and metaphysics then comeback into discussion. Thanks for the thought-provoking posts Jozanny and Drkshadow03, as it is hard to find such detailed discussion on the internet.
    I don't think I wrote anything relevant CA, but you are welcome. Drk seems to be critical of America's graduate school Foucaultan popularity, but that has more to do with America's starry-eyed love affair with 20th century French intellectualism than what Foucault sought to achieve, I suspect. We state siders are fascinated by how sexy French thought is, and that is why you get the blowback later.

    I like Foucault's archaeological mining to reshape or undermine traditional Kantian concerns. It isn't an end all and be all unto itself, but I can grasp Foucault's tropes and examples easily. It is the end game that gets tricky, but I am not there yet. One book doesn't make a disciple. I like this Stanford summary better than Wiki, and I am still looking for a Foucault forum to join, at least one that will be tolerant of my lack of expertise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CognitiveArtist View Post

    The idea of oppression or repression being productive is a smart understanding which overcomes a lot of previous (mis)understandings, especially marxist informed understandings. Why do oppressed people remain oppressed and even seem to perpetuate or allow their own oppression? This question has troubled Marx, Freud and others. Foucault is smart to state that the oppressed people get something out of being oppressed (whether it's just an identity, knowing how one is to live in the world), like some kind of masochistic joy. Masochism, to elaborate the problem of self-oppressing, is why Freud theorised the death drive. I agree with Foucault that people who are oppressed aren't simply really fooled and deluded, but in some way perpetuate their own situation. Conceptualising this downward spiral people can get into has better explanatory power than there being a vigilant, omnipresent superstructure which is always controlling & misleading people.
    Yeah, Foucault is challenging or complicating Marxist theory. He also is challenging Sartre's Existentialism.

    Power for Foucault might best be visualized as a pyramid. It comes from the bottom up and circulates throughout the system.

    It's not so much the oppressed accept their repression because there are benifits; that to me still sits awfully close to Marxism and the idea of bougeousie propaganda, but rather the people on the top, the so-called oppressors are equally under the spell of power-knowledge. Their identities are formed out of the power circulating around them and outside them just as much as the people at the bottom. Foucault accepts that political power exists, but the power he is interested in underlies that political power, it forms the very structures of political power. It's what says, "This government shall have a king, that one a council of elders." It functions, in other words, outside of the king or the Prime Minister or rich White men. Those people's identities are equally the product of particular forms of knowledge circulating through the system as power.
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    Hmmm, Jozany, can you explain to me what you find dysfunctional about disability activism? And how you find Foucault useful to fixing it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkshadow03 View Post
    Hmmm, Jozany, can you explain to me what you find dysfunctional about disability activism? And how you find Foucault useful to fixing it?
    I would be happy to but I am not sure if the moderator wouldn't get upset, because I would be deleving into a slice of politics. Let me see if I can catch one's attention and see what would be okay. It would not involve the current candidates, but disability activism is not yet *post-generational* the way the author of Audacity is.

    Seriously, I waded into LNF thinking I was a middle-aged fuss pot who would be able to run circles around anyone with the exception of st.lukesguild, since he and I crossed swords over Don Q--- before I knew of this forum-- but you are an impressive student, if I may say so, and deflated my fuss pot sensibility down a notch or two, which is good.

    I can get too conceited about my own intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jozanny View Post
    I would be happy to but I am not sure if the moderator wouldn't get upset, because I would be deleving into a slice of politics. Let me see if I can catch one's attention and see what would be okay. It would not involve the current candidates, but disability activism is not yet *post-generational* the way the author of Audacity is.

    Seriously, I waded into LNF thinking I was a middle-aged fuss pot who would be able to run circles around anyone with the exception of st.lukesguild, since he and I crossed swords over Don Q--- before I knew of this forum-- but you are an impressive student, if I may say so, and deflated my fuss pot sensibility down a notch or two, which is good.

    I can get too conceited about my own intelligence.

    Thanks for the compliment! Yeah St. Lukesguild is crazy well-read; his knowledge is extremely impressive.

    By the way if the moderator says "no", but I can't imagine why (political philosophy is by necessity political and intersects with political issues) you could always private message me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkshadow03 View Post
    Thanks for the compliment! Yeah St. Lukesguild is crazy well-read; his knowledge is extremely impressive.

    By the way if the moderator says "no", but I can't imagine why (political philosophy is by necessity political and intersects with political issues) you could always private message me.
    Okay, since neither of them floated up out of the ether I suppose I have the benefit of the doubt. I will come at it in a day or two.

    It was nice to try to reconnect with like-minded people here, in my recent burst of activity, but I have an op-ed to send to a paper and things.

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    Sounds good. I look forward to response.
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    Foucault

    Foucault was important in enlightening me about how the world really works. There is an interface of crime through and around every nook and cranny of my neighbourhood and I understand why I have had to duck and weave with a tiny moral compass that I sometimes feel has failed me. I grew up when I read him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maria Francesca View Post
    Foucault was important in enlightening me about how the world really works. There is an interface of crime through and around every nook and cranny of my neighbourhood and I understand why I have had to duck and weave with a tiny moral compass that I sometimes feel has failed me. I grew up when I read him.
    Could you elabroate Maria? How do Foucault enlighten you? How do you think the world really works? What do you specifically mean by your "moral compass" failing you? I'm afraid to admit the way you use that metaphor was lost on me without more context. In what way did Foucault help you grow up and thus become more mature in your outlook on life?
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    Jozanny... you would most certainly do well not to underestimate the posters at LitNet. Kafka's Crow, for example, has a couple of MAs with more than a goodly knowledge of Arabic/Persian/Middle-Eastern literature, French literature and lit as a whole. Petrarch's Love is a PhD. (or PhD. candidate) with a marvelous ability for inserting common sense in the most diplomatic manner into our disputes and a mastery of Italian and English Renaissance literature. JBI, who is currently vacationing in Italy (lucky schmuck!) is probably better read than almost anyone I have ever come across on line... and there are any number of others who certainly take their literature seriously and truly know their stuff (Darkshadow03 certainly included).

    Personally I won't get into the Foucault dialog. I haven't read enough... nor wanted to read enough... to do so. I agree with your suggestion that Americans have been overly seduced by French intellectualism. Personally I have little patience with the notion of approaching a work with the idea of analyzing it from a set theory... whether that theory be based in Foucault's theories or Freud's. As a working artist I have even less patience with any theory that underplays the achievements of the individual and leans toward a concept that all is a product of social energies. Foucault, Derrida, and perhaps even more so, Jean Baudrillard, are raised again and again by art critics and even artists wishing to offer up some proof of their intellectual depth... but they often strike me as succeeding more along the line of those third-world military leaders whose chests are emblazoned with medals with which they intend to convey their sense of power, and yet outside of their own small sphere of influence, no one believes the illusion at all.
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