Abbadon --- Avenging Angel or Demon???

[BigDaddy_GFS]

This isn't specifically about a religious text, so I'm uncertain this is an appropriate thread. However, I'm fascinated with this mythical figure, and he appears in many such texts.

Abbadon ....(aka....Abaddon, Apollyon) has been commonly referred to as the 'Angel of the Abyss' amd appears briefly in the Book of Revelations.

This is a passage referring to him.
REVELATION 9:11 They have as king over them, the angel of the Abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek he has the name Apollyon.

Abaddon and Apollyon both mean "destroyer."Who is this ruling spirit called the "Destroyer," who is released from the Abyss during God's wrath on mankind in the last days of this age?

Abbadon in some texts is considered to be a fallen angel, and whom may or may not have regained God's favor.

There are many conflicting accounts of who and what Abbadon is. He is said to be in league with Lucifer, and a King in Hell in some references. In others, he wrestled with Satan during the the Apocalypse and cast him into the Abyss, where he was ultimately defeated and bound.

Was Abbadon imprisoned in the Abyss by Satan, and then turned on his jailer?
Was he imprsoned by God for past sins, and was released to redeem himself?

Hero or villain? God's avenger, or simply a loose cannon?

I'm enthralled with this colprful, enigmatic figure. I welcome comments and input.

[mono]

I remember, years ago, reading of Abbadon in The Bible, but I guess I never really put a lot of thought into his character. It seems difficult to say with my present beliefs, but Abbadon sounds neither friend nor foe to anyone - perhaps more like a vigilante, as silly as it sounds, as it seems he works by his own accord and will.
Concepts of "fallen angel" and getting "cast into the abyss," with all due respect, I get a little skeptic about, but, no doubt, Abbadon represents something - a force, perhaps, that remains relatively neutral.
Thanks for the thread, very interesting.

[BigDaddy_GFS]

I remember, years ago, reading of Abbadon in The Bible, but I guess I never really put a lot of thought into his character. It seems difficult to say with my present beliefs, but Abbadon sounds neither friend nor foe to anyone - perhaps more like a vigilante, as silly as it sounds, as it seems he works by his own accord and will.
Concepts of "fallen angel" and getting "cast into the abyss," with all due respect, I get a little skeptic about, but, no doubt, Abbadon represents something - a force, perhaps, that remains relatively neutral.
Thanks for the thread, very interesting.

I'm not especially devout. As a writer, I do a lot of research, and Abbadon is a mythicla figure I've latched onto.
'Vigilante' is a term I use with regard to Abby. Taken as a whole, the conflicting accounts of his deeds paint a rich and colorful picture of a rogue angel who may have sinned in the past, but has made attempts to redeem himself.

A rogue angel. A fallen member of the Heavenly Court.

I don't subscribe to the black-and-white interpretations of good and evil, as are laid down in the scriptures.
When I think of the term 'fallen', I don't necessarily see that as meaning 'having sinned, and is thus declared evil, and cast out of heaven'.
It may also mean 'demoted, and put on probation'.

[mono]

Very well said, BigDaddy, and very interesting.
I almost feared that I would offend you with some of my interpretations, but, in result, we obviously share a similar view. The term 'rogue angel' probably sounds the most accurate to my perception of Abbadon's myth.
I felt near to asking if the words Abbadon or Apollyon had any etymological meanings, but noticed your first post again, as 'destroyer.' It seems relevant also in Greek and Roman myth, the meanings of some of their names - the gods, goddesses, and mythical characters. Perhaps, all in all, Abbadon merely represents chaos and entropy.

[BigDaddy_GFS]

With further reading, there is evidence that he may be a fallen angel. There are quite a few notable angels who are listed as 'fallen'. Perhaps his rogueish nature supports the idea that angels are not merely servants of their deity, but rather have free will, Maybe they are powerful yet flawed creatures.

[anpalidor]

check it , its Anpalidor...

Fallen Angel of Despair

The Abyss is referred to as the void or hell in some circles.

It is also called Despair.

[Rockin462]

I always thought of Hell and the Abyss as 2 different places.
Hell is lawful but Evil.
The Abyss is Chaotic and Evil.
The Devils (Hell) and Demons (Abyss), though both evil oppose each other as well as good.
To be named the Destroyer, he must be Chaotic? And also to have been jailed by Satan, shows opposition. Freed somehow(possibly by God) from Satan's jail in hell, to return to the Abyss, where he dwells? Then freed from there to throw Satan into the Abyss.
With this I ask, where is Hell? The Abyss is described as the burning lake of Fire and Brimstone to which all evil will be thrown.
If Lucifer(Satan) was given the order to protect the Garden of Eden. Perhaps hell is or is on Earth?
And the Fallen Angels, fallen from grace, but where do they exist if outside of Heaven? On Earth as well? In a separate plane called Hell? But not in the Abyss? As all evil has not been thrown there and locked away yet?
Sorry for falling off subject, but it is characters like Abbadon that bring these questions to me.

[weepingforloman]

Is it not likely that "Abbadon" is neither angel nor demon, but a personification or symbol for destruction? Revelation, after all, is an example of apocalyptic literature: it speaks in symbol, not fact.
Sorry if any of this was previously said, I did not read the entire thread.

[Broman]

I had a chance to do some research into the meaning of these names and have come up with the following:

Apollyon = Apollo (Greek god of Science, Sports competition, Medicine, Oracle at Delphi)
Apollyon = Python (Giant serpent guarding the Oracle at Dephi, Black magic,
a Titan/Eternal destroyed supposedly by Apollo)

Since there is little difference between white magic (science, falsely so called) and black magic, it seems that the name is a play on words describing
the transition from the taboo and fear of black magic to mans (so called) enlightenment to knowledge gained through observation, experimentation, and the mortar of theory.
This marriage of two ideologies will eventually end in the destruction of mankind as being deceived by Satan in trying to get to heaven by some other means other than Jesus Christ who is the only Way.
The bottomless pit obviously is the mind or imagination of man being opened to create the means to get to heaven, by worm hole, star gate, matter transfer, jump to hyper-space, folding space, warp coil, etc. as seen in science fiction novels and movies.
It is interesting that the present LHC (Large Hadron Collider) created by the Cern Labs is working on researching inter dimensional travel. Could this be the creation of the door by which the locust arrive? Your guess is as good as mine.

Abaddon = Abba which is interpreted in Hebrew as "Father."

Abaddon = Addoni which is interpreted in Hebrew as "Teacher/Master."

Hence, this is the exact opposite of the definition of God the father, who is by definition Master and Lord of all, but who seeks to be as a father with a heart of compasion for his children. Satan on the other hand tries to come as one who is a familiar (familiar spirit) but only wants to be ones master to destroy, kill and steal.
I hope this helps in your understanding, and may God Bless You.

[Nefer7]

Hello to every member of the forum.

As to Abbadon: It was mentioned in Milton's Paradise Regained as an Angel of Death.----------------------------------------------------------------

[weltanschauung]

yeah, but in in milton's paradise lost, abaddon, the "angel of death" is also the messiah.
so, is jesus abaddon, the angel of the abyss? thats what the jehovah witnesses profess.
and if jesus is abaddon, who is also identified with satan, jesus is satan?
jesus is also said to be jehovah personified, so there it is, god is satan.
man, is christianism intentionaly misleading or what?

[Nefer7]

It depends of how it is interpreted. Abbadon is the Hebrew name of Apollion (Destroyer-Book of Revelation) and in ancient Jewish tradition it was used for part of Sheol (underworld) or Gehenna , in charge of its bottomless pit.

In the Old Testament was the valley below Jerusalem where idolatry was practiced (II Kings 23:10 Jeremiah 19:6) and where offals were later slowly burned

[shawnnweed]

I wrote a book called Abbadon. Few have read it. In my book he was a highlevel demon 13 feet tall, black and red, yellow eyes with the tusks of a pig protruding from his lower jaw. He lead a group of demons and attacked and destroyed nearly all mankind in exchange for ruling over hell for 1000 years. God promised not to destroy the world by flood, this time he destroyed it by fire. my e-mail address is shawnnweed at hotmail dot com if you would like to read it. It's 270 pages and take place in the near future 2057.

[The Atheist]

I wrote a book called Abbadon. Few have read it. In my book he was a highlevel demon 13 feet tall, black and red, yellow eyes with the tusks of a pig protruding from his lower jaw. He lead a group of demons and attacked and destroyed nearly all mankind in exchange for ruling over hell for 1000 years. God promised not to destroy the world by flood, this time he destroyed it by fire. my e-mail address is shawnnweed at hotmail dot com if you would like to read it. It's 270 pages and take place in the near future 2057.

Outstanding! I'll have a look, I love demonic literature.

As far as I can tell, Abbadon is always claimed by the Dark Side - he is like Satan, a fallen angel, and as yet unredeemed.

As if he'd ever seek to be. Destroyer of souls, eater of minds.

Demon.

[blazeofglory]

I wrote a book called Abbadon. Few have read it. In my book he was a highlevel demon 13 feet tall, black and red, yellow eyes with the tusks of a pig protruding from his lower jaw. He lead a group of demons and attacked and destroyed nearly all mankind in exchange for ruling over hell for 1000 years. God promised not to destroy the world by flood, this time he destroyed it by fire. my e-mail address is shawnnweed at hotmail dot com if you would like to read it. It's 270 pages and take place in the near future 2057.

Seem to be intersting in fact