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    Maybe Balzac is of interest, too?
    Especially "La Peau de chagrin" (The Magic Skin).

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    A Canadian girl who likes YA, eh? Give her Atwood.
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    I'd consider these to be "Young Adult" novels with literary merit:

    Catcher in the Rye by JD Salinger
    On the Road by Jack Kerouac
    The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath
    Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut
    Brave New World by Aldous Huxley

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desolation View Post
    I'd consider these to be "Young Adult" novels with literary merit:

    Catcher in the Rye by JD Salinger
    On the Road by Jack Kerouac
    The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath
    Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut
    Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
    Huxley young adult? He's easier than a lot of authors but I would not really classify him as young adult. Good suggestion though. Thanks.

    I have War of the Worlds, The Odyssey and Frankenstein to give her. Should be a good start. Then maybe Dumas and a few others suggested on this thread. I appreciate all the responses.

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    When giving recommendations, the best way to shoot yourself in the foot is by pushing some abstruse brick of a book that'll just discredit you. So short stories are ideal to begin with...

    I quite agree. You never know what sort of great novel another reader may love... or be repulsed by. I would suggest some classic shorter fiction. This will allow you to get feedback as to what she likes and dislikes and gear further suggestions based upon that.

    Look at the various tales from the following authors:

    Edgar Allen Poe
    Nathaniel Hawthorne
    Ambrose Bierce
    Guy de Maupassant
    Theophile Gautier
    Robert Louis Stevenson
    H.G. Wells
    Rudyard Kipling
    Charles Dickens
    William Wilkie Collins
    Franz Kafka
    H.P. Lovecraft
    Nicolai Gogol
    Anton Checkov
    Ernest Hemingway
    Flannery O'Connor
    J.L. Borges
    E.T.A. Hoffmann
    Arthur Conan Doyle
    Herman Melville
    Mark Twain
    Donald Barthleme
    Italo Calvino
    Alice Munro
    Julio Cortazar
    etc...

    You also might make suggestions taken from larger collections such as:

    The Decameron
    Aesop
    Herodotus
    The Arabian Nights
    The Shanameh

    Italo Calvino's Cosmicomics

    Then think about novellas and relatively shorter length narratives:

    Goethe- Sorrows of Young Werther
    Mann- Death in Venice
    Steinbeck- Of Mice and Men
    Capote- Breakfast at Tiffany's
    Melville- Billy Budd
    Stevenson- Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde
    Conrad- Heart of Darkness
    Henry James- Beast in the Jungle, The Turn of the Screw
    Tolstoy- Death of Ivan Ilych, Hadji Murat
    Nathaniel West- Miss Lonelyhearts
    Saul Bellow- Sieze the Day

    From here you might be able to move toward suggestions of larger novels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stlukesguild View Post
    When giving recommendations, the best way to shoot yourself in the foot is by pushing some abstruse brick of a book that'll just discredit you. So short stories are ideal to begin with...

    I quite agree. You never know what sort of great novel another reader may love... or be repulsed by. I would suggest some classic shorter fiction. This will allow you to get feedback as to what she likes and dislikes and gear further suggestions based upon that.

    Look at the various tales from the following authors:

    Edgar Allen Poe
    Nathaniel Hawthorne
    Ambrose Bierce
    Guy de Maupassant
    Theophile Gautier
    Robert Louis Stevenson
    H.G. Wells
    Rudyard Kipling
    Charles Dickens
    William Wilkie Collins
    Franz Kafka
    H.P. Lovecraft
    Nicolai Gogol
    Anton Checkov
    Ernest Hemingway
    Flannery O'Connor
    J.L. Borges
    E.T.A. Hoffmann
    Arthur Conan Doyle
    Herman Melville
    Mark Twain
    Donald Barthleme
    Italo Calvino
    Alice Munro
    Julio Cortazar
    etc...

    You also might make suggestions taken from larger collections such as:

    The Decameron
    Aesop
    Herodotus
    The Arabian Nights
    The Shanameh

    Italo Calvino's Cosmicomics

    Then think about novellas and relatively shorter length narratives:

    Goethe- Sorrows of Young Werther
    Mann- Death in Venice
    Steinbeck- Of Mice and Men
    Capote- Breakfast at Tiffany's
    Melville- Billy Budd
    Stevenson- Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde
    Conrad- Heart of Darkness
    Henry James- Beast in the Jungle, The Turn of the Screw
    Tolstoy- Death of Ivan Ilych, Hadji Murat
    Nathaniel West- Miss Lonelyhearts
    Saul Bellow- Sieze the Day

    From here you might be able to move toward suggestions of larger novels.
    Kipling, The Decameron, Poe, Hemingway might all be good. Thanks SLG.

    It really helped when I told her that at her age I was struggling hard to get through great books and was opening the dictionary 5 times per page on average. She is really really really interested in books. Her eyes widen everytime I mention a great book. I discoursed for like half an hour on the fact that in the stack of books on my desk there were such marked contrasts between pairs of books like Augustine and Nietzsche, The Iliad and The New Testament, Leaves of Grass and Paradise Lost. She hung on every word. I almost gave her Wuthering Heights but when I read that book at 18 I found it mighty difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darcy88 View Post
    Huxley young adult? He's easier than a lot of authors but I would not really classify him as young adult. Good suggestion though. Thanks.

    I have War of the Worlds, The Odyssey and Frankenstein to give her. Should be a good start. Then maybe Dumas and a few others suggested on this thread. I appreciate all the responses.
    H.G. Wells, heck, yeah. I also like stlukesguild's suggestion of Arabian/1001 Nights (just maybe a more readable translation than the Burton one).

    If she likes the spooky stuff, I can heartily recommend the classic ghost stories of J.S. LeFanu and M.R. James.
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    I think ur really best sticking to short stuff. I mean whatever you give her she is gonna feel obligated to finish.

    St lukes suggestions I think are good. Here are some that got me into literature.

    Animal Farm
    Great Gatsby (though I've found that guys like this book more than girls)
    1984
    Slaughterhouse Five
    Siddhartha
    Of Mice and Men

    I can't quite explain why but I think you should give her Siddhartha.

    Also I don't think you should give her P&P or Lolita. P&P, I just think its too easy for the language of the book to be really offputting. Lolita for reasons already stated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darcy88 View Post
    Huxley young adult? He's easier than a lot of authors but I would not really classify him as young adult. Good suggestion though. Thanks.
    I don't think Slaughterhouse-Five or On the Road are, either. I've yet to read The Bell Jar. Not that they're not good choices.

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    Never mind. There's a reason I haven't dated girls under 20 since I turned 20. Hahaha. This thread is a Sears-tower like testament to my utter foolishness. Pope said "fools rush in where angels fear to tread." Wise words.

    This thread will come in handy when my young cousins come of age, or if I ever decide to again play hopscotch on a ledge.

    Augustine was genius too. Now I see. lol.
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    Crash and burn?! Just pour yourself a good beer (or two). Preferably something British or Belgian and crank up some appropriate music. Perhaps some Foggy Mountain Boys in honor of earl Scruggs who passed yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi View Post
    I don't think Slaughterhouse-Five or On the Road are, either. I've yet to read The Bell Jar. Not that they're not good choices.
    I was going a bit liberal with the term "Young Adult"...Those are novels that I think young adults/teenagers are more prone to enjoy, not necessarily novels written for young adults/teenagers.

    By the way, from experience, I'm going to recommend not giving her Tolstoy...I tried to give my girlfriend Anna Karenina...Now she won't take recommendations from me.

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    I think Anna Karenina is better than War and Peace . It's a tighter novel and appeals more to my aesthetic preferences, although I can admire the ambition of W&P.
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    You gave her Lolita didn't you.

    Sorry to hear it Darcy. But I think the irrational rush / rushing is the most fun part of any relationship (and the sex of course). You got to have some fun, with relatively little bruising.

    At least you didn't work your way into a long-term something where you gradually and painfully become disenchanted, vacillating endlessly between holding on and ending it, only to culminate in an ugly breakup which leaves you embittered by all the time you've "lost" and "wasted" and seriously questioning not just your ability to make decisions about relationships but really about any sort of decision no matter how trivial.

    Also.. really stlukes a British Beer? My rec would be to reach for an American
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    Also.. really stlukes a British Beer? My rec would be to reach for an American

    Oh please. Swill... with the exceptions of the better microbreweries.

    I'll take this:



    or this:



    or this:



    or any of these:



    over most American beers any day.
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