Shakespeare was Italian, from Messina.

[joseph90ie]

Yeah, I imagine him as being sound and salty, wearing hard brown leather jackets and going by the name Bill Shakes - like Bill Sykes (the Oliver Reed one), but with a cheerful disposition and a how'dye do in his step. Joseph Fiennes did an imaginative job of him - I liked that energetic version: though the only problem is that it allowed me to think of Shakes as the gym-type - who knows, maybe he was, though I'd say the wooden gyms in those days stank. Because doesn't J. Fiennes remind you of the gym-type, of the good sort, not the muscle bound sort?

[Ultimo]

Parla italiano o latino, non comprendo fino in fondo i linguaggi barbari.

Yeah, I imagine him as being sound and salty, wearing hard brown leather jackets and going by the name Bill Shakes - like Bill Sykes (the Oliver Reed one), but with a cheerful disposition and a how'dye do in his step. Joseph Fiennes did an imaginative job of him - I liked that energetic version: though the only problem is that it allowed me to think of Shakes as the gym-type - who knows, maybe he was, though I'd say the wooden gyms in those days stank. Because doesn't J. Fiennes remind you of the gym-type, of the good sort, not the muscle bound sort?

Quando i miei avi (Ovidio, Orazio, Catullo) insegnavano al mondo la letteratura i tuoi avi inseguivano castori nelle foreste della vostra isola, col viso pitturato di blu.

Spero tu abbia afferrato il concetto.

[Ultimo]

Salvatore Schillaci scored a great goal against Ireland...

Do you remember, my friend ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4pRNv87mDY

{EDIT}

And Schillaci played with Messina Football Club the same city of Crollalanza!

[Niamh]

My friend, you compare the histories of the English monarchs (avalaible by any local library or verbal tradition) at the informations or details about the laws, foreshortenings, or costumes of cities very far and distant like Verona or Messina (for example)?

Ultimo, just for the record, during the Elizabethan period, the fashions etc of europe were influential even in England. Italian dances etc became very fashionable in the Elizabethan court. People did travel extensively during this period, and many traveled from the UK to Italy. It is quite possible that shakespeare learnt the "laws" and "traditions" of italian cities from those that visited them which would also explain why they arent 100% accurate and some what obsured.
Just because he wrote plays based in Italy does not mean he was really italian. He wrote plays based in greece also. Surely that would not make him greek? Hamlet is based in Denmark. But above all else, a lot of his plays were set and based in Britain. His Historical Plays were English, some of his tragedies where set in britain and so were a handful of his comedies.

Now i'm going to put on my Moderator hat and say a couple of things.

Please refrain from posting in another language, especially if you know another member will not know what you are saying.
stick to discussing the point of the thread and Please do not insult each other.

[Ultimo]

As tells the documented biography of Crollalanza, he travelled and visited Greek and Denmark too.

An English man of '500 knew Messina and Verona ?

Just because he wrote plays based in Italy does not mean he was really italian. He wrote plays based in greece also. Surely that would not make him greek? Hamlet is based in Denmark. But above all else, the majority of his plays were set and based in Britain.

Cite, please, an other english writer who based his production on foreign background...at the time of Shakespeare or after....

Do an example.

[Niamh]

Yes. Dont forget only a few centuries before hand was the crusades and Britons were going as far as israel. There is also trade. Ships from England sailing to Italy and further a feild to trade. I studied history and Archaeology. I've a good grasp on the era.

Christopher Marlowe.
Thomas Kyd

[Ultimo]

For the precision...

Please refrain from posting in another language, especially if you know another member will not know what you are saying.
stick to discussing the point of the thread and Please do not insult each other.

I don't have insult anyone.
Someone insult me. But it's not a problem.

[Niamh]

That note was aimed at both of you. I was making a point before a general backlashing occured.

[Ultimo]

But Marlowe studied the classics, greeks and latins.
And his plays are ambientalize in Paris, Germany or in imaginaries scenes (Cartagine, for example).

Friendly reconstructable by a instructed man.

He not reported details of far, contemporaneus, localities of italian province.

Yes. Dont forget only a few centuries before hand was the crusades and Britons were going as far as israel. There is also trade. Ships from England sailing to Italy and further a feild to trade. I studied history and Archaeology. I've a good grasp on the era.

Christopher Marlowe.

In the '500 there was'nt Interner or Sky Tv....

[Niamh]

The classics were studied in all schools in Britain. Marlowe did go on to Uni, but Shakespeare still would have read them in his school in Stratford. Part of the curriculum.

Your question was name another english writer who based his work on forgeign ground at the same time as shakespeare. I gave you two. It is irrelevent which countries they still wrote basing works in foreign countries.

[Ultimo]

By the way, Niamh, your poems are very nice...they remember the crepuscolar poetry of Ugo Foscolo, or the decadent thematics of Eugenio Montale...do you know?

[Ultimo]

My friend, my ipothesys is founded on hystorical dates (biography of Crollalanza and others).

Your question was name another english writer who based his work on forgeign ground at the same time as shakespeare. I gave you two. It is irrelevent which countries they still wrote basing works in foreign countries.

[Niamh]

By the way, Niamh, your poems are very nice...they remember the crepuscolar poetry of Ugo Foscolo, or the decadent thematics of Eugenio Montale...do you know?

Thanks.
Ugo Foscolo? Eugenip Montale?

[Ultimo]

Eugenio Montale :

Bring me the sunflower that I may transplant it


Bring me the sunflower that I may transplant it
in my saline burned ground,
and that it might display all day to the blue expanses
of the sky the anxiety of its pale yellow face.

Things that are dark long for brightness,
the bodies exhaust themselves in a flowing
of colours: these become music. To fade away
is therefore a chance among chances.

Bring me the plant which leads
to where the blonde transparencies appear
and where life dissolves like essence;
bring me the sunflower insane with light.





Often I have encountered the evil of living

Often I have encountered the evil of living:
it was the strangled stream which gurgles,
it was the crumpling sound of the dried out
leaf, it was the horse weaty and exhausted.

The good I knew not, other than the miracle
revealed by divine Indifference:
it was the statue in the slumber
of the afternoon, and the cloud, and the high flying falcon.

[Ultimo]

Ugo Foscolo "Alla sera" (Nightfall).


Nightfall

Perhaps because you are the image

of the silence of the grave, I cherish when you come to me

o evening! Whether summer clouds

and warm winds hold you in soft embrace,



or you send restless and long shadows

from frost-filled air to the universe,

you always fall, desired by me, and the secret

pathways of my heart you gently hold.



You make me wander with my thoughts on paths

that lead to the eternal void, and all the while,

this evil time fleets by, and with it masses



of care depart, and it dissipates along with me

and while I contemplate your peace,

the warrior spirit that roars within me sleeps.