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    Quote Originally Posted by West View Post
    Mono,

    Mohamed pbuh didn't write the Quran himself, he was illiterate according to his biography. Arabs called him "Ummi", one who can neither read nor write. His companions wrote the Quran and compiled it after each revelation as the prophet(mohamed) recited to them. Also, according to Islamic teachings, All prophets and messengers(be they jews, non-jews, or from any other ethnicity) had the same mission and the same source of inspiration regardless of what time in history they lived. Each messenger supported and strengthened the previous messenger who came before him through their teachings. They all taught the same fundamental teachings about God. Jesus told the jews that he didn't come to destroy the law of moses but to fulfill it, Mohamed never claimed to have brought a new religion but one that completes the rest, corrects the mistakes people introduced to those previous religions(christianity, Judaism and others) and one that affirms their fundamental teachings. There is no confusion in islam when it comes to what is right or wrong in terms of beliefs, the message is universal, all prophets were legitimate, upright, good people, should be supported, their message believed, islam views concepts like trinity to be pauline doctrine and to be invalid, the Original teachings must be followed. That is the argument.
    Great, thank you for confirming the fact that Mohammed did not author the Koran, West - upon a bit of quick research, I found such as true, too. As an endorser/believer/follower of no religions, I suppose my facts upon the specifics of some religions lack accuracy, and, indeed, I should have said in my previous post that Mohammed did not write the texts of the Koran, but recited them. The same occurred in Buddhism that Siddhartha Gautama never wrote any Buddhist texts; indeed, he delivered sermons, and no one, as a fact, knows Siddhartha's native language, but others, his disciples, recorded and distributed the few texts we have today, of which some debate their validity as to the accuracy of the transcribed from verbal sermons (as Siddhartha likely did not edit the texts - it sounds like Mohammed could not even if he wanted, due to his lack of literacy), whether composed in the presence of the sermons or written from memory, and the influence of the writer as opposed to the speaker's words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mono View Post
    Great, thank you for confirming the fact that Mohammed did not author the Koran, West - upon a bit of quick research, I found such as true, too. As an endorser/believer/follower of no religions, I suppose my facts upon the specifics of some religions lack accuracy, and, indeed, I should have said in my previous post that Mohammed did not write the texts of the Koran, but recited them. The same occurred in Buddhism that Siddhartha Gautama never wrote any Buddhist texts; indeed, he delivered sermons, and no one, as a fact, knows Siddhartha's native language, but others, his disciples, recorded and distributed the few texts we have today, of which some debate their validity as to the accuracy of the transcribed from verbal sermons (as Siddhartha likely did not edit the texts - it sounds like Mohammed could not even if he wanted, due to his lack of literacy), whether composed in the presence of the sermons or written from memory, and the influence of the writer as opposed to the speaker's words.


    I appreciate your open mind on the correction. It is clear you have no other objectives except to expand your horizon where possible. I like to give you again from the Islamic perspective on the influence of the writer as opposed to the speaker whose words were written down. Before that though, a little on prophet Mohamed's illiteracy.

    A- Prophet Mohamed's illiteracy became one of his strength as his society knew he could neither read nor write yet was reciting to them what seemed to be neither poetry nor anything else they have read before. His society were poets and valued poetry, so they could put him to task and throw doubts on his claims if the prophet was literate. Their chance to question the sources of his new knowledge, accuse him of copying and plagiarism were deminished that way. It sparked interest in them and many eventually believed in Mohamed being a messenger of God. The Quran itself invited the literate Arabs to come up with a similar chapter of the Quran, One verse, or one line since some of them were gifted poets. That challenge wasn't met either. So, if Mohamed didn't copy someone's work, didn't read, didn't write, his opposition couldn't come up with similar chapter of the Quran, a verse, or a line, and the Quran was revealed in their own language, they had no option but to question their opposition to the prophet. Some did and became muslims, some didn't though few.


    B- Prophet Mohamed had the responsibility to deliver the message as it was without adding his words to what was revealed to him of the Quran. After each revelation, Different individuals wrote the text down as the prophet recited the Quran. These individuals acted as crosschecks for themselves. They wouldn't all collude to misrepresent.

    D- These writers then read their cimbilation to the prophet himself who listened and verified the accuracy of what was written. Not only that but Gabriel(The angel tasked to deliver the Quran in small portions to the prophet over two decades) also verified the combilation, where each chapter fell, and each verse belonged by listening to the Quran recition of the prophet. In fact, when Gabrile met Mohamed in a cave, his first command to the prophet was "Read" to which Mohamed replied "I am not one who reads". Basically, The Quran was given a protection not given to other books of God. The responsibility of protecting the words of God was removed from humanity as opposed to God making previous followers of prophets(like christians and jews of old) the sole responsible beings for ensuring the accuracy and purity of their books. They failed.


    PS: Above statement is the Islamic view, history and what muslims learn and are taught in the Quran. I don't mean to proselytize anyone, just giving the islamic perspective on Islam. Others are free to disagree or question the stance and facts about Islam.
    Last edited by West; 11-19-2009 at 03:38 PM.

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