Goldstein?

[kitty13]

I am in part 2 of the book and I am confused if Goldstein is a good figure or a bad figure? Does Winston and Julia like him or not?

I also wanted to know if this quote had any future reference to anything:

"Oranges and lemons, say the bells of St. Clement's,
You owe me three farthings, say the bells of St. Martin's,
When will you pay me? say the bells of Old Bailey,
When i grow rich, Say the bells of Shorditch."

[The Atheist]

I am in part 2 of the book and I am confused if Goldstein is a good figure or a bad figure? Does Winston and Julia like him or not?

You need to finish the book then decide for yourself.

I also wanted to know if this quote had any future reference to anything:

"Oranges and lemons, say the bells of St. Clement's,
You owe me three farthings, say the bells of St. Martin's,
When will you pay me? say the bells of Old Bailey,
When i grow rich, Say the bells of Shorditch."

Yep - further in.

[Geesta]

I believe that this quote was someway of showing who remembered the past. Winston asked many people about the song, an if they remembered it, or if they knew it. I think that by asking this, he was really asking them if they remembered the past. Some like Julia, could only remember Oranges, and what the church looked like, and others like O'Brien, knew the whole song. I think what Orwell is trying to say here, is that O'Brien knows something about the past, and this song is what Winston uses to see who is for, or against the party. By O'Brien's knowledge of the song, Winston is now more convinced that he is on his side, and not going to turn him in for thought crime.

[mimi578143]

Goldstein is not a real person, for OBrien says that he will never die. Winston and Julia only wanted to rebel against the party, so i suppose they liked him/it.

As far as the poem goes, it is a symbol of the past.