LET THERE BE LIGHT
"Love follows knowledge." – St. Catherine of Siena
My literature blog: http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/
As a Jew, I can't help but find that offensive - it shows lack of sensitivity, or nay understanding really of the universal Jewish condition.
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its' own reason for existing." ~ Albert Einstein
"Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." Buckaroo Bonzai "Some people say I done alright for a girl." Melanie Safka
As a Jew myself, I well understand the offense you take - at the last stanza in particular, I assume? Where the original lines
Every Jew is secretly a little bit in love
with Hitler, who never lied to us
came from, I can't really say, but I tried to soften or contextualize them by inserting I sometimes think, so that the intuition or notion becomes in effect a bit of self-portrait.
It is the acting out of some desperate fantasy: that if only Hitler had known me or any other typical Jew before he launched his murderous programme, he might or would have seen that we were loveable. In that sense there is some kind of twisted logic here: Since one cannot, could not hate the actual Hitler deeply enough, perhaps one could go in a directly other direction?
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its' own reason for existing." ~ Albert Einstein
"Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." Buckaroo Bonzai "Some people say I done alright for a girl." Melanie Safka
The second and third stanzas --"strophes" -- are by far superior, but the verse as a whole is quite good, and, as always in all of your pieces, thought-provoking.
Your speaker --and I believe--you, yourself are such forgiving souls that a little bit of a less negative view toward the inexplicably-respectful term "Mr." Hitler sneaks in. But I wonder, sometimes, that amid our society's need and sincere wish to be compassionate, we might sometimes go overboard in our quest to be forgiving. This
villain may or may not find forgiveness from a being removed from this deeply-flawed world.
When I read this I thought of something I read years ago -(-where? Maybe in Gibbon ) in which he says one of the failings of the post-Christian, all-inclusive Roman Empire was that it "suffered from an excess of open-mindedness."
In any event, your piece, as always, provokes much thought and discussion. That's one of the things the best of contemporary literature should do!
I think actually in the bulk of this discussion that we are in agreement.
1. How or why man was created cannot be ascertained in a definitive manner from history/theology unless one assumes a totally blind acceptace of that laid down in Scripture.
2. The argument based upon cause/effect reaction leading to the conclusion of an initial cause of Creation, of which I'm sure you are familiar, is a bit too obtuse & cold blooded for my taste.
3. So I've given up trying to reason it, but quietly accept a faith within myself based on feeling & instinct? Is there a North-West Passage to the spiritual world?
4. Thanks for the point on "devolution". One of the variables I missed.
Best regards.
To all those who previously read this: please note that I've made a change to the end-lines.
Prince, I must admit this is a hell of a poem...well done. I'd love to see your perspective on it, but mine is as follows:
Hitler originally proclaimed that he would wipe the blight of depression from the German economy, when instead, he ended up attempting to wipe the self-proclaimed blight of the non-Germans from the rest of the world. I love the satire in this one, it's really quite striking how you address him as "Mr. Hitler". Really well done, I'll be back to comment more on this, but that's all that my perplexed mind could come up with at the moment.
Again, well done!
“Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence. True friendship is a plant of slow growth, and must undergo and withstand the shocks of adversity before it is entitled to the appellation.” - George Washington
"Time for you and time for me,
And time yet for a hundred indecisions,
And for a hundred visions and revisions." - T.S. Eliot
Ok, I happen to like the previous version better, but I understand the change. The original I think was better poetry and really more psychologically penetrating. For me "secretly in love" with Hitler suggests the the sort of passivity from the Jewish community at large that occured during the halocaust, while "secretly in awe" suggests to me a desire to replicate his actions on someone else. I wonder what others think.
LET THERE BE LIGHT
"Love follows knowledge." – St. Catherine of Siena
My literature blog: http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/
I think I liked the first version better, like a girl who respects a boy's brutal honesty; mainly it's the idea of loving Hitler, and the brutal juxtaposition therein.
Last edited by qimissung; 07-04-2009 at 01:01 AM.
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its' own reason for existing." ~ Albert Einstein
"Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." Buckaroo Bonzai "Some people say I done alright for a girl." Melanie Safka
I also liked the first better. Don't shy away from controversy, Prince. I know many might read a kind of blasphemy into the comment, but I think that's only superficial, and more will be provoked to really ponder and penetrate the subtlety of the statement.
"As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being." --Carl Gustav Jung
"To absent friends, lost loves, old gods, and the season of mists; and may each and every one of us always give the devil his due." --Neil Gaiman; The Sandman Vol. 4: Season of Mists
"I'm on my way, from misery to happiness today. Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh" --The Proclaimers
Prince,
I can understand why you felt the need to change the last stanza, but I have to agree with Virgil and Morpheus and say that I think the first version is more powerful. The last stanza, in it's orginal form is very thought provoking; your new version seems a bit watered down.
You know I'm one of your biggest fans, so continue to write with your own voice.. It's only a poem..people can read it or not read it... regard it highly or disregard it entirely. Keep your poems coming!
"What is this life if, full of care, we have no time to stand and stare." W.H. Davies
“Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””
“If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.
Yes, the bond between bully & victim, and what I think has come to be called the "Stockholm Syndrome," these lie somewhere in the background of the closing lines (now restored) which, frankly, shocked and sickened me when I first thought of them (without the intended softening of "I sometimes think").
Correction
In response to several persuasive responses, I've restored the ending of the poem to what it was originally. Thanks to all those who 'voted.'
Thanks, Virgil. All of stanzas 2 & 3 were meant as elaborations of the surgeon metaphor, "wielding his armies" as a surgeon might (in this case) a particularly sharp scalpel. If I can come up with anything better, I'll post the alteration.
And by the way, I want to disclaim credit for my use of the image of the "remnant." It is a phrase that has long been used for the survivors of any mass anti-Jewish action and may be found, in other connections, as far back as "Revelations."
Yes, that is very much a valid interpretation. In fact, it'what I had in mind. Thanks for your sensitive reading.
I hope one is meant to read this, as one of the respondents suggested, as being in the voice of one of the enraptured Hitlerjugend, and as such is is every bit as devastating as I hoped my own poem would be.
You might want to read "Death Fugue" by Paul Celan: http://mason.gmu.edu/~lsmithg/deathfugue.html