Certainly the rape of a child. That frankly turns my stomach. But I want to reemphasize. Legally carried out justice as I descrbed up above is not revenge. It is the appropriate execution of societal punishment.Originally Posted by Dark Muse
Certainly the rape of a child. That frankly turns my stomach. But I want to reemphasize. Legally carried out justice as I descrbed up above is not revenge. It is the appropriate execution of societal punishment.
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While I do not infact belive that adultry should be a legal issue, if a woman was stoned for adultry I cannot say I would feel sorry for her. I have very rigid views about disloyatly.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe
Well Dark Muse,
I may not agree with your views on this question but I do have to admit you are consistent : )
hehe Yes, that is one thing I do try to be.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe
"Revenge", you say?Wouldn't know? Ha! You've gotten your revenge on me a number of times.
I say, "divine justice"!
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"It is not that I am mad; it is only that my head is different from yours.”
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I love the subject of capital murder in that from a hypocritical judgement it comes to be known that people can murder in one way from a legalized standpoint but not in the other.
Classic do as I say not as I do arguement.
( This is just one of the many reasons why I reject morality, ethics, and golden rules altogether.)
( Only the naive believe this world to be a moral one.)
Life is a sadistic joke with no pun line.
Well that depends upon ones definition of murder. I personaly do not beleive that all forms of killing are by defult murder. In my personal opinion murder only applies when a life that is innocent is taken. When a person is killed in cold blood.
The death penalty is not killing in cold blood. Nor is it taking the life of the innocent.
I do not consider killing in revenge to truly consitute a murder becasue the person being killed is so as a direct restult of thier own actions.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe
Certainly it does for if you murder for the government on the battlefield it is considered a noble act but should you murder for your own individual pleasure without governmental approval or the permission of society then it becomes known to be a crime.Well that depends upon ones definition of murder.
But what is really interesting is that killing is killing no matter how you define it.
Please tell me your definitions.I personaly do not beleive that all forms of killing are by defult murder.
See this is where I disagree with you because to me noone is innocent.In my personal opinion murder only applies when a life that is innocent is taken.
To me innocence doesn't exist.
What's the difference?When a person is killed in cold blood.
See above posts.The death penalty is not killing in cold blood. Nor is it taking the life of the innocent.
Killing is killing no matter how you define it.I do not consider killing in revenge to truly consitute a murder becasue the person being killed is so as a direct restult of thier own actions.
Last edited by Mr Hyde; 10-21-2008 at 03:35 PM.
Life is a sadistic joke with no pun line.
Yes I knew you would say that. But what I meant above is that if a person kills another who has in fact has done nothing to them. Even if the said person may not be "innocent" in the borad sense. If they are killed by some random pyschopath, then that would consittute as murder becasue the person killing them has no justifiable or motive to do so.
And to me that is a completely seperate thing then if person A kills person B becasue person B directly brought harm to person A.
Killing is killing but I still do not believe that all killing is murder. I think there is justifiable killing. Though I do not personally believe that only the government is the determinant of what is justifiable or not. I do believe in personal vigilantism and I believe a person should have to right to seek their own revenge.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe
People do bad things to other people all the time even when the person being oppressed, attacked, or insulted did nothing to deserve it.But what I meant above is that if a person kills another who has in fact has done nothing to them.
It simply happens.
Society oppresses individuals everyday into poverty and inequality by forcing them to become indentured servants decrying that is their only worth or value as a human being even when it is done against their own will.
Again it simply just happens.
Why must somthing be justified? Not everything is justified and I think you know that.Even if the said person may not be "innocent" in the borad sense. If they are killed by some random pyschopath, then that would consittute as murder becasue the person killing them has no justifiable or motive to do so.
For you it may be but for me there is no difference.And to me that is a completely seperate thing then if person A kills person B becasue person B directly brought harm to person A.
Alot of serial killers and criminals see their behavior as personal revenge or vigilantism too.I do believe in personal vigilantism and I believe a person should have to right to seek their own revenge.
Last edited by Mr Hyde; 10-21-2008 at 04:04 PM.
Life is a sadistic joke with no pun line.
I never said they didn't but that was not the point of my argument. The point being, that if a person does something to another person without having a good reason for doing it, they deserve to be punished for it. Either by a court of law or by the wronged party.
That is irrlelevent to this arugment
I never said everything is justified, but there is a differences between something that is justified and something that is not justified. As my above arugment.
A person who does something which is not justified should be called to account for their actions
While if a person does something becaue they are righting a wrong which has been done to them they should be excused
Though I beleive in vigiliantisim, I am not calling for a complete end of the legal system. It is clear to anyone with even an iota of common sense that there is a differnece between a serial killer and someone who was directly and personaly been harmed, or had a loved one harmred, and going after those that are reponseble, then someone just lashing out in general.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe
Revenge is a natural tendency something that is primitively set in our mind and out moral attributes we try to do away with it, but it is always there in full bloom notwithstanding the fact that we try to subdue it.
Of course revenge is not good,and I am not for it. But human nature is very hard to understand and we hardly keep away from it and there are pinches of it always in our behaviors.
Let us be honest to ourselves that we depict our revengeful demeanor all the time in our tradeoffs with others in day to day affairs.
We simply are pretenders, trying to show what we are not in point of fact.
“Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””
“If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.
dangerous liaisons -chordelos de laclos
superb.
I am proud of my preadatory side, and I do not try and hide my teeth. I embrace it.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe
The transition to land brought major changes to the faces of our ancestors. They stopped breathing water through gills, and the gill-supporting muscles in the face took on new functions, like controlling the throat to swallow food. At the same time the muscles that moved the jaws became bigger as land vertebrates evolved a more powerful bite.
In point of fact I subscribe to your ideas one hundred percent in point of fact, for today we hide the incisive teeth and nails and clutches and despite the veneer of cultures, morals, ethics and the like we are still the same brutes, and our promitive desires of pouncing, mating, defending and the like are still powerful within us, and these are the givens we can not subdue in point of fact notwithstanding our continuum of endeavors to quell and ttample them out.
Then tell me wereon earth we are not revengeful?
“Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””
“If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.
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