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    Let's now speak of all the things that are good about Nicholas's story, rather than succumb to the usual destructive negativity of Hillwalker and his obsequious little chatterbox tag-along Cafolini.

    Hillwalker got it exactly wrong when he derided the story as "One day I killed a kid, amen." His analysis lays bare the poverty of his reckonings, even though sometimes he makes good points. But even when he does, they are so destructively stated that they are worthless.

    This story is not at all about "one day I killed a kid, amen." That's why it's a good story.

    The key line -- a fulcrum line -- is:

    I liked how no one in that part of town knew me; I didn’t have any friends there, but I didn’t have any enemies, either.
    To me, this story is about an ordinary kid about whom we learn quite a bit, in a minimalist, Carver-like way. He has a Mom who cares for him: he texts her, she leaves the door open for him at night. He has his "nonna" who cares for him and feeds him. They kiss, talk, care for each other. She congratulates him for his "acceptance letter," though the reader is never told what he was accepted to. Possibly college, but who knows? It's a nice touch, keeping this acceptance a mystery. The acceptance letter, and his obviously close family ties, establish him as someone with firm social bonds and a sense of morality and conscience.

    But he has a second life. He sells pot on the other side of town -- where he has no friends or enemies. Here, the norms of civilization, of kin and conscience, are cast aside. Here, the narrator can be feral. And he is. He kills a kid, a competitor. Here, in the alleys on the old side of town, it's dog eat dog.

    But that's OK, because he quickly comes back to his ordinary life. He compartmentalizes. It's a little slice of life, but don't we all do the same thing? It's a Carver-like slice that portends something bigger. We go about our daily lives, while the government in our name, with our tax dollars, slaughters innocent people in Afghanistan and Pakistan with drone attacks. Why then shouldn't a good kid from a nice family with firm social ties kill a competitor, especially when he is in the bad part of town, a kind of metropolitan Afghanistan or Pakistan, where he has neither friends nor enemies, no ties at all, but just dog-eat-dog competition?

    The whole point of this story, what makes it work, is NOT that he kills a kid -- that's incidental. It's all the rest of it. His relation with "nonna," the fine and nostalgic paragraph about his affinity for the night, his mysterious acceptance letter. And the ending in which he looks back on the past and laughs at the talking peanut butter jar. Ten years on, he has abstracted the kid he killed; he has dismissed it like a dream that did not sit too well, and got on with his life. And we can infer, perhaps, that he has had a blameless life since then. Which itself is disturbing. I find this a deeply unsettling story, which makes it a good story.

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    Over to you Nick - I'm done with communicating through your editor.

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    Oh, and I also wanted to note Nicholas's excellent stuff on Dante, and how translations are paraphrases of the original. That was a brilliant touch, in the context of the rest of the story and the casual killing. For me, it was that the narrator had compartmentalized the killing as just a paraphrase. Very well done, Nicholas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cioran View Post
    Let's now speak of all the things that are good about Nicholas's story, rather than succumb to the usual destructive negativity of Hillwalker and his obsequious little chatterbox tag-along Cafolini.

    Hillwalker got it exactly wrong when he derided the story as "One day I killed a kid, amen." His analysis lays bare the poverty of his reckonings, even though sometimes he makes good points. But even when he does, they are so destructively stated that they are worthless.

    This story is not at all about "one day I killed a kid, amen." That's why it's a good story.

    The key line -- a fulcrum line -- is:



    To me, this story is about an ordinary kid about whom we learn quite a bit, in a minimalist, Carver-like way. He has a Mom who cares for him: he texts her, she leaves the door open for him at night. He has his "nonna" who cares for him and feeds him. They kiss, talk, care for each other. She congratulates him for his "acceptance letter," though the reader is never told what he was accepted to. Possibly college, but who knows? It's a nice touch, keeping this acceptance a mystery. The acceptance letter, and his obviously close family ties, establish him as someone with firm social bonds and a sense of morality and conscience.

    But he has a second life. He sells pot on the other side of town -- where he has no friends or enemies. Here, the norms of civilization, of kin and conscience, are cast aside. Here, the narrator can be feral. And he is. He kills a kid, a competitor. Here, in the alleys on the old side of town, it's dog eat dog.

    But that's OK, because he quickly comes back to his ordinary life. He compartmentalizes. It's a little slice of life, but don't we all do the same thing? It's a Carver-like slice that portends something bigger. We go about our daily lives, while the government in our name, with our tax dollars, slaughters innocent people in Afghanistan and Pakistan with drone attacks. Why then shouldn't a good kid from a nice family with firm social ties kill a competitor, especially when he is in the bad part of town, a kind of metropolitan Afghanistan or Pakistan, where he has neither friends nor enemies, no ties at all, but just dog-eat-dog competition?

    The whole point of this story, what makes it work, is NOT that he kills a kid -- that's incidental. It's all the rest of it. His relation with "nonna," the fine and nostalgic paragraph about his affinity for the night, his mysterious acceptance letter. And the ending in which he looks back on the past and laughs at the talking peanut butter jar. Ten years on, he has abstracted the kid he killed; he has dismissed it like a dream that did not sit too well, and got on with his life. And we can infer, perhaps, that he has had a blameless life since then. Which itself is disturbing. I find this a deeply unsettling story, which makes it a good story.
    What a twisted view. As usual.

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    I really appreciate the edit. I feel the way you broke up the story was much more effective than my block paragraph. Thanks for the help. I really appreciate this online community.

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    What a twisted view. As usual.
    LOL. That is all you can come up with? Are you even able to write a complete sentence?

    Nick has written an excellent and meaningful short story, but you can't abide that, can you? And the reason is that you are unable to do what he has done.

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    One should note Cafolini's empty one-liners in response to my analysis of Nick's fine story. Even if one disagrees that Nick's story is good, one ought to take note of how empty comments like those of Cafolini are. I gave a thoughtful analysis of the story, and all he could do is call my response "twisted." Is this anyone who merits an audience? As to Hillwalker, I didn't even bother reading his further crap in this thread. He attacked a fine story, which I made finer by editing, because attacking the works of others is all that he knows. They should both be ignored, because what turns them on is destroying what others do, since they can do nothing themselves except destroy.

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    Excellent analysis of the hours I have spent on here over the last 3 years. Your work here is now complete - I'll leave you to show everyone how it should be done.

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    Come on now, todos. Let's not start with the insults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cioran View Post
    As to Hillwalker, I didn't even bother reading his further crap in this thread. He attacked a fine story, which I made finer by editing, because attacking the works of others is all that he knows. They should both be ignored, because what turns them on is destroying what others do, since they can do nothing themselves except destroy.
    I wholeheartedly agree with you in regards to Cafolini, but you really need to lay off Hill.

    You seem to have lost your temper when he found objections in your story "Ant Farm." Hill is a damn good reader, tends to give good advice, and takes time out of his day to review others stories. His style may boarder on cruel at times, but that's his honest opinion. It's damn near impossible to get that kind of honesty in person as a writer.

    Where were you the last three years? You may be editing and reviewing stories fast and furious right now but Hill has done it consistently for years. He's added far more to this site than I think you comprehend, and I for one appreciate and respect his opinion.

    You need to develop thicker skin. All Hill did was try to help you, but he found that your story was not his cup of tea, and recommended how he thought you could make it better.

    That does not justify this childish rampage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grit View Post
    I wholeheartedly agree with you in regards to Cafolini, but you really need to lay off Hill.

    You seem to have lost your temper when he found objections in your story "Ant Farm." Hill is a damn good reader, tends to give good advice, and takes time out of his day to review others stories. His style may boarder on cruel at times, but that's his honest opinion. It's damn near impossible to get that kind of honesty in person as a writer.

    Where were you the last three years? You may be editing and reviewing stories fast and furious right now but Hill has done it consistently for years. He's added far more to this site than I think you comprehend, and I for one appreciate and respect his opinion.

    You need to develop thicker skin. All Hill did was try to help you, but he found that your story was not his cup of tea, and recommended how he thought you could make it better.

    That does not justify this childish rampage.
    You can agree with whatever you want. That's not going to take away a bit of who you are. In fact, I feel better that you, especially you, disagree with me. I'd immediately search for something wrong with myself if you were to agree. It's very natural.

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    So this is where the walker went...






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    This makes 3 years!






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    This thread and others. The poison pen was merciless.

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