How to describe it?
Children are innocent but then adults are too when proven not guilty. So what is what?
Innocence
How to describe it?
Children are innocent but then adults are too when proven not guilty. So what is what?
Last edited by cacian; 02-19-2013 at 06:23 AM.
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
Presumption of innocence?
do you mean one is pretending to be innocent like the famous case of the south African blade runner?Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
what I am trying to say is does one need the title of innocence if one is what the meaning says anyway? in other words why point and say oh that is man when one knows one is?
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
He means the burden of proof lies with the accuser, who must presume innocence until they can prove guilt.
It is a way of protecting people who are accused of crimes but have yet to be convicted. So in this context, the presumption of innocence does matter.
Why would you say children are innocent? Have you ever been around children?
Also, presumption of innocence is used for determining legal guilt or innocence. Does it have anything to do with moral or factual guilt or innocence?
By innocence, he means lack of knowledge about the real world, where they think everything is fine, and they will grow up and be millionaires and nothing bad will ever happen. Just like when people talk about children begin to lose their innocence as they start to find out that there is no Santa Claus, as they begin to realize that the real world is cruel.
My personal take on this, is that I am only 14, I have a ways to go before I have kids, but when I do, I don't want believing strongly in religion, or Santa Claus. You might be like, wow, you are cruel, but I want my kids to be logical thinkers, I want them to make decisions for themselves as soon as they are able to, not that some floating guy in the sky should decide what you do. Now, I believe loosely in the Christian faith, in the sense that I believe in an after life, but I don't believe in the sense that God made everything, and **** has been going down for only 2013 years. Mainly since science has proven that we have been around for millions of years, and has strong evidence that everything has existed for aver 14 billion years.
So if not teaching my kids about religion, or Santa Claus is them losing innocence, in exchange for them being intelligent, and logical thinkers, than so be it. I just don't want my kid believing that some fat crusty white dude flies around with reindeer in the sky and delivers presents to every single kid in the world in one night.
tabula rasa pretty much sums it up.
“the sense of being which in calm hours arises, we know not how, in the soul, is not diverse from things, from space, from light, from time, from man, but one with them and proceeds obviously from the same source.... Here is the fountain of action and of thought....
Hmmm...I guess, which I hadn't realized before now, that I view those two examples with different definitions. As for a crime, being proven innocent simply means you've been proven to not have done the crime or whatever you've been acused of. As for the innocence of children, that is something much more pure....much different. And in response to the other posts about questioning the innocence of children...it is how you raise them and their own personalities. Just because there are roudy potty mouth children in the world that may deliberately hurt others for the fun of it...doesn't mean there aren't sweet loving children who are truly full of innocence.
Some people are born and die with a tabula rasa.
ROFLMAO
Nah it always fills up with something.
“the sense of being which in calm hours arises, we know not how, in the soul, is not diverse from things, from space, from light, from time, from man, but one with them and proceeds obviously from the same source.... Here is the fountain of action and of thought....
Nah,Nah. Something always goes empty. LOL
children are innocent by nature. adults are not by default. there a time difference between a child and adult as you know.
I am talking about the inner innocence not the legal one per say.Also, presumption of innocence is used for determining legal guilt or innocence. Does it have anything to do with moral or factual guilt or innocence?
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
tabula rasa. what is that?
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
It is an epistemological proposition claiming that individuals are born without mentality and that the mind is created by education. We now know that it is false. Experiments have been done with people, animals in isolation, where it is shown that the brain comes proprogrammed to obey laws such as time for migration, kinds of feed, etc. The tabula rasa proposition can't be but an idiotic joke.
Last edited by cafolini; 06-11-2013 at 11:24 AM.
You are severely misinformed cafo.
tabula rasa is the claim that perception is based on experience, not mind based on education. they are similar, but not equal.
Tabula rasa and pre-existing, genetic dispositions can coexist. organisms respond to things like migration and kinds of feed for the same reason that they develop limbs without conscious attention; some things are genetic. but perception is not genetic. there have been numerous studies that what you experience affects your perception, that is pretty obvious.
saying that "we know migration without experience" is an argument against tabula rasa is just plain wrong.
and please do not compare experiments done on animals to the human brain. similar again, but not equal.
“the sense of being which in calm hours arises, we know not how, in the soul, is not diverse from things, from space, from light, from time, from man, but one with them and proceeds obviously from the same source.... Here is the fountain of action and of thought....
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