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    Plutarch's Lives.

    Plutarch's Lives.

    A Kindle is reading in its purest form. There's no going back (without a lot of fuss,) no flicking , no leaving your thumb in a page as you read on and no page numbers. You just read what is on the “page” in front of you and then you read the next one and the next one until they stop appearing.
    But for the Kindle I would never have even started Plutarch's Lives.

    The first hint of what I had taken on was when after two weeks the progress line at the bottom told me I had managed just 3% of it. Had it been in book form I would've never picked it up, but by then I was hooked so it didn't matter.

    Plutarch Lives is a series of very readable short biographies of famous Greeks and Romans. He pairs them up, one Greek and one Roman and then compares them

    Here is why.

    “It must be borne in mind that my design is not to write histories, but lives. And the most glorious exploits do not always furnish us with the clearest discoveries of virtue or vice in men; sometimes a matter of less moment, an expression or a jest, informs us better of their characters and inclinations, than the most famous sieges, the greatest armaments, or the bloodiest battles whatsoever. Therefore as portrait-painters are more exact in the lines and features of the face, in which the character is seen, than in the other parts of the body, so I must be allowed to give my more particular attention to the marks and indications of the souls of men, and while I endeavour by these to portray their lives, may be free to leave more weighty matters and great battles to be treated of by others."

    For us, it is of course a huge deposit of Greek and Roman history. (and there are a great many battles of course.) It is certainly more than just stories, he acknowledges his sources and comments on their reliability throughout the work. The comparisons are all his own and I have to say the weakest part, he tends to favour the Greek and particularly Spartans and draws conclusions that are less than obvious.

    Here are some of the more famous people he covers and compares;

    Theseus and Romulus (mythical)
    Thermistocles and Marius
    Alcibiades and Coriolanus
    Nicias and Crassus
    Agesilaus and Pompey
    Alexander and Julius Caesar

    And of course The Mob, that cruel and headless entity that builds up and destroys at a whim, is ever present and very dangerous (Like the tabloid press only with real knives.)

    My favourite character is the less well known Phocion, urbane and ironic, a prototype Englishman, keeping his head when all around are losing theirs, able to quell the mob with a disdainful glance that made them love/hate him. Once when addressing the citizens of Athens in his usual acerbic way, the crowd applauded. He looked puzzled and asked.

    “What! Have I inadvertently said something foolish?

    You've got to like him.

    I found the Roman Lives absolutely fascinating, as you read on, a tale of slow but complete moral decline is revealed, where the desire for honour in great men is gradually replaced with base lust for power, and politics became such a bloody business that it was kill or be killed.

    The Greek story is a bit different, they simply wore themselves out bickering fighting each other.

    I enjoyed this work, it is not literature but it drew a lot of threads together for me. You come across parts that Shakespeare or Bettany Hughes or even Hollywood must've referenced. It is also a fascinating study of human nature, and of the quirks of fate and fortune that steer the path of history.

    I'll give it 7/10
    Last edited by prendrelemick; 08-18-2012 at 05:52 AM.
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    It is indeed a very good read. It is not so daunting in its hardcover format, as you said, very readable. But I did not sit down to read it all at once: I would read one or two sections at a time to compliment whatever I was studying at the time.
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    Great review! And the reading sounds something that I'd very much enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prendrelemick View Post
    Plutarch's Lives.

    I found the Roman Lives absolutely fascinating, as you read on, a tale of slow but complete moral decline is revealed, where the desire for honour in great men is gradually replaced with base lust for power, and politics became such a bloody business that it was kill or be killed.

    The Greek story is a bit different, they simply wore themselves out bickering fighting each other.

    I enjoyed this work, it is not literature but it drew a lot of threads together for me. You come across parts that Shakespeare or Bettany Hughes or even Hollywood must've referenced. It is also a fascinating study of human nature, and of the quirks of fate and fortune that steer the path of history.

    I'll give it 7/10
    You sum up Roman and Greek history quite astutely here. I am a fiend for Plutarch. He might be my favourite classical source if for no other reason than the sublime readability of his text.

    What I like most about Plutarch is how he so accurately portrays the great game of power. There was more going on in his narratives than mere power plays to be sure. There was much bitter struggle for survival, as you see in his life of Themistocles. There was much honour, as in his life of Cincinnatus. But when you read his life of Caesar, or Antony, or Demetrius (maybe my favourite) you see this grand chess game where the stakes are the lives and territories and overall fortunes of entire far-flung peoples. I believe the world still operates this way, though the exercise of power internationally is much more subtle, clandestine, though by no means restrained.

    A thumbs up for your excellent review of Plutarch. Though I would not give him a 7, I'd give him a perfect 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darcy88 View Post
    You sum up Roman and Greek history quite astutely here. I am a fiend for Plutarch. He might be my favourite classical source if for no other reason than the sublime readability of his text.

    What I like most about Plutarch is how he so accurately portrays the great game of power. There was more going on in his narratives than mere power plays to be sure. There was much bitter struggle for survival, as you see in his life of Themistocles. There was much honour, as in his life of Cincinnatus. But when you read his life of Caesar, or Antony, or Demetrius (maybe my favourite) you see this grand chess game where the stakes are the lives and territories and overall fortunes of entire far-flung peoples. I believe the world still operates this way, though the exercise of power internationally is much more subtle, clandestine, though by no means restrained. A thumbs up for your excellent review of Plutarch. Though I would not give him a 7, I'd give him a perfect 10.

    You touch on another aspect that this and other classical works show us. Civilisations may rise and fall, but the basic driving force of human nature does not change that much.
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    Nicely done.
    You've piqued my interest.
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