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    Jnani How?
    Seeker The 'data' sent by senses is incomplete, thus store house of 'data' is also incomplete. Naturally composition of mind which is waves and waves of thoughts is also incomplete. Why do you reveal yourself in incompleteness, when would you reveal your completeness, your wholeness if that is possible?
    Jnani I exist in veiled manner, only seeker, like you, realise my complete identity, which is pure-intelligence Seeker How have you gone from your pure-state to gross level (veiled self) ? Jnani In my original state of massless void (casual) to massless (subtle) I assumed 'activity'. In my former state I was whole, complete and had no second. After assuming 'activity' I became
    seems your levels of existence are many
    two. And then came my third state of manifestation (gross). Now I am in my third state of gross manifestation. But in each state I exist.
    Seeker But state of your existence has gone down from casual, subtle to gross. In each transformation you have been forced to assume 'latent' existence. The role of your manifestation is visible by outer 'activity' but you have been, relegated. The conscious 'activity' in each manifestation has created its own conscious level (intelligence) and you have been superimposed. How would you regain your original state of statelessness when your identity has been covered by the conscious level of your manifestations which are in as many numbers as your roaming conscious 'particles'?
    Jnani Have you still not understood the meaning of "after the completion of each cycle of evolution I go back in my original".
    Seeker This clearly indicates your misery; your salvation is linked with our salvation. You cannot attain your original until we attain our completion (salvation) by completely identifying ourselves with you. Then it is in your own interest to hasten our journey of enlightenment.
    Jnani But that is not possible. I am bound within my principle with which I have bonded the nature also. Each manifestation has to complete its course of evolution and transform itself into another till the penultimate manifestation is born, wherein the qualiteis of all previous manifestations (evolutions) lies. The epitome of all qualities in which I shall abound in my three states (casual-subtle-gross).
    Seeker Without your 'telling' I understand you mean human beings. ,
    Jnani Yes. Human being! He is the complete perfect model of all the evolutions (transformations) that took place so far. In him are available all the qualities that abounds in the nature.. All levels of consciousness, found in nature, are imparted in him. He is also above them because in him, I am embodied in my complete effulgence. In his destiny (journey) lies my salvation (completion).
    Seeker Man being your embodiment is something more also. He is capable to transcend you too and attain greater heights.
    Jnani I am again hearing your stale tune, the way I am forced to hear the same sound in my manifestation since their creation. .1 am bored hearing my own sound in my creations.
    Seeker It is your fault that you are hearing the same sound but are not trying to decipher the music beyond it, the beauty, the bliss, from where it originated. Why don't you try to find out its source. If you were the source, you would not be bored with it rather be happy to hear so many variations of the sound and enjoy their 'talas' (melodies). Even now is the time to realise your limitation and search with me, the Source, the Supreme Reality, the One Truth; from whom you originated. But your problem, I realise, you are 'intellect' and you are endowed with the quality of reasoning. You want proofs, visible proofs, which are discernible in your manifestation but what could cause you, is invisible to you, so your limitations are your own qualities, which force you, again and again, to observe your creations only but not you. As we have seen, thus far you have not been able to give satisfactory answer about the cause of 'activity' in you. You tell me it was caused by the composite 'activity' withdrawn from your manifestation but what about the time, when the first, the original, cycle of evolution was started by you (as per your version) from where the very first cycle got its activity. There are so many other questions also. But they would come gradually. Don't be adamant; give in, In humbleness lies real wisdom
    The more i learn more i become aware of my ignorance
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    Jnani Your aim, so far, has been to attain (realise) me. Why have you again gone into the vagaries of your mind?
    Seeker Then you admit, Sir, mind is full of 'vagaries' as you put.
    Jnani Of course, my manifestations have after using me a bit, super-imposed me with their sub-realities.
    Seeker But there are no super-impositions, it is, only their ignorance which they have imposed upon you.
    Jnani It is simply to convey that by relegating me to latent condition, they are living in their realities which are, of course, not realities but half-fed 'data' which they receive from their charged bodies. Charged senses, transmit only in-complete 'data'.

    Seeker So you also agree, the target of our search is man (Human being). Let us begin our task in real earnest, sincerely and faithfully. Before our joint effort in search of Reality could begin a novel experience happened, which in itself was unique and fully rewarding. Though at the beginning I protested but later I realised that whatever I went through, was essential and my good old friend 'intellect' was right in making me a Ginny pig in his experiment, but I willing associated in it and was magnificently rewarded, a soul raising reward. I am indebted to my friend and he deserves my salutations and I salute to him in appreciation of his 'experiments'. Jnani Since you have been my good disciple by acquiring worldly knowledge, ultimately stood before me and want to part with my company, I cannot let you off so lightly, as whatever you have been able to acquire, it was because of my grace, otherwise you were a mere body, immersed in its world of pleasures. It was me who raised you from gross level but you have confronted me. This is the reward you give me, for all the troubles I took for you.' I have decided now to put you back to the level, I raised you from. In case, you raise yourself on your own, without my help, I would gladly join your efforts and help you in furthering your search otherwise you douse in the mire, where you were before I met you. However, I will grant you three boons which would be essential tools for your rise. Three women would come into your life, in quick succession, each possessing one quality each of 'Tamo' (sloth), 'Rajo' (passion) and 'Sato' (righteousness) respectively. If you are able to come out of their influence, you would meet me again, realise your present self-otherwise spend your remaining days on earth, in the comforts of their qualities which would not be bad bargain.
    Seeker But what are you doing with me?
    Jnani I am taking back your present consciousness which is incidentally my boom and putting you in, quite a different set up, which would suit you in your pursuits. But I am giving you back your lost youth. By the way, you are a good specimen of your species. When I took you in my fold you had good body charms, vigorous strength and a capable mind. I am giving you back all except your past environment and consciousness.
    Seeker You mean you are taking back my memory and all that relates to my past. In nut-shell you are replacing my past, with a new one. But that could prove disastrous for me. Suppose I lose myself in your temptations (which you are presenting me in the shape of three women) I would be lost for every. On the other hand, I would like to accept your challenge and achieve the same heights again without your help. I am willing to become a tool in the nefarious laboratory of your experiments. I will confront you again because I am a seeker, put me wherever you like, I will seek and seek. That is my inheritance coming to me by genes. You can change my circumstances but not my inheritance. I will re-create the same circumstances (consciousness). Rest you assure, do with me as you wish. I say audio to you, to me and my present consciousness. Goodbye.
    Jnani I WILL you to be...
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    Seeker I am thankful to you that you have brought me where you can make a tempting offer. I am indebted to you for all the bother you made for me for fostering an infant, and rearing it lovingly, laboring it to unravel the beauties of nature by putting in it finer sensitivities to understand the life around it, helping it ascend the heights where-from you are ready to take it beyond. But my old friend, cosmic intelligence is not my goal. No doubt by your help I have been able to acquire a bit of knowledge. It was because of you that I could beckon you door. Again it was your light which stirred my insight and I was able to be aware of your presence. I am not thanklessl or being unfaithful to you but the insight you have instigated in me, command me to go beyond you to seek that which created you. It is not my fault if I desire more than what already is! It was you who made conscious of what I must seek.
    Jnani Pray tell me as to what that is!
    Seeker Supreme-Reality
    Jnani This coming from you really disappoint me! After all the bother I have gone through, I see you now at the level of a lunatic. Forgive me that I am using strong words. But you are compelling me to adopt a hard line with you. You have gone astray. You must remember our long ‘talks’ on the subject. I always reasoned with you that it is all ‘me’ that is real. Nothing more, nothing beyond, and that is the truth. Supreme-Reality is nothing but the creation of lazy minds, the parasites who feed on others. Should you take them seriously and become one of them? I would not let you the luxury of lousing your mind with loose tensions of high voltage which would destroy you ultimately. I can not bear to see you in that condition.
    Seeker You should not worry on this account. You have equipped me well and I will be on safer grounds if I use you less and less, when I part your company. By leaving you, I would still be having you and if need be, I can always revert back to you.
    Jnani But at least tell me, what (who) is this Supreme stuff of yours? Is it permanent like me? How could it be ‘above’ me and I am unaware?
    Seeker (I knew he was just chiding me) To know That, we shall have to know ‘about’ That.
    Jnani What do you mean by “about that’?
    Seeker Knowing about you.
    Jnani Pray tell me, what is ‘about me’ and let me know if there are other ‘about’ too?
    Seeker Knowing about you, is knowing about Nature; knowing about Nature, is knowing about man, and knowing about man is knowing about Reality.
    Jnani I really pity you and rue the day I made myself known to you. Your end would also be like others.
    Seeker I know what you mean by others. The path of seekers has always been full of turbulence caused by your zealots, but that does not scare me. I am on my way and I do not care about the bothers.
    Jnani I am aghast at your effrontery. I created you and now you intimidate me!
    Seeker Nay, you did not create me. A created entity can only evolve itself into another.
    Jnani But I am permanent. I created the nature and I abound in my manifestations.
    Seeker Before you created nature, where were you?
    Jnani Naturally I was in insentient state of, what you call massless-mass of void.
    Seeker Who put ‘activity’ in you?
    Jnani The latent state in me
    The more i learn more i become aware of my ignorance
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    Revelation or religious based stream of consciousness?

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    No revelation or religion, only quest in Reality.
    The more i learn more i become aware of my ignorance
    Awareness of ignorance is wisdom

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    So then Reality is obviously relative eh? I've no trouble with that; you? Well, as long as ones Relative Reality isn't formed with the intent to deceive or harm others. Sad thing is so much that seems relatively benign is malignant in reality. Ummmm....

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    Man it is too early to comment/form opinion on unresolved issue! pl wait, things would be clear soon........
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    Truth speaks from the first word. It doesn't require a last.

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    Then u should start showering your grace of truth, we would all welcome words of gospel from ur sacred -Self!
    The more i learn more i become aware of my ignorance
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    I just did, see post #23 above.

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    Seeker Were you conscious about that ‘latent state’ (intelligence)?
    Jnani Of course, that state means compressed into itself. I had simply forsaken my conscious-self and was abounding in selfless state.
    Seeker But were you in your conscious state and were aware of your ‘dormant’ activity in you?
    Jnani If I had willed myself in insentient state, naturally I had forsaken the consciousness too.
    Seeker If as you say you had forsaken the conscious (activity) state, how could you hope to recreate the activity in you and start the game of creation again or are deriving to say that your game is a one time play?
    Jnani What do you mean?
    Seeker Is the Nature born of you for once only and after its disintegration when you go into your insentient state, this show (of creation) vanishes forever.
    Jnani No, my play is repeated again and again; after dissolution I re-appear in the form of Nature.
    Seeker No, you have not told me as to how you appear and why you disappear and that too in yourself!
    Jnani I appear to complete one cycle of evolution to its logical end. I have taught you so much but the simplest thing you have not been able to understand is that when I withdraw activity (energy) from nature, it automatically merges in me. I withdraw myself from my manifestations and transform myself in insentient state of mass-less void.
    Seeker Your existence is only in your manifestation, so how do you transform yourself in insentient. That means from ‘intelligent’ you become unintelligent!
    Jnani Now you are intentionally becoming ignorant. I am always in my original state of pure-intelligence; absence of intelligence is due to evolutionary process of my manifestation. From my insentient state, I produce insentient manifestations, but I impel them to improve from insentient to sentient level and when that level is attained, I once again start the backward process and ensure disintegration of the cosmos. I perform the task in me or in my manifestations by the power of duplication. My manifestations transform and improve by the method of duplication. As you are aware that each object in nature duplicates itself in improved manner, this continues till perfection is achieved by them. And a cycle of evolution is complete.
    Seeker You are telling everything but not that I seek. I want to know about the cause behind you.
    Jnani I am my own cause. All the ‘causes’ subsume in me.
    Seeker Then we shall have to make a joint effort to know you.
    Jnani And that be?
    Seeker By knowing your latest manifestation---man (human being)!
    Jnani So be it. Start!
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    I had acted selfishly by engaging the intellect in dialogue. It was not he who was withholding me from going beyond. It was me (i) again who was using him as I needed him to beyond him. The journey in the realms beyond has to be traversed again and again and every time the path leads via intellect. It is unlike other journeys where a person takes a nightcap and proceeds further. It is also not possible to lead from a point, where one had stopped.
    This journey is like diving in an ocean. The diver has to cross the point of depth; he reached last time to go further. If last time he went down the depth of twelve feet, this time also he would have to traverse that distance and only then could he proceed further.
    Rightly it is said, the world is like an ocean.
    So upto the level of my friend’s intellect, whom now I call a Jnani, perforce I shall have to keep his company until I am able to remain lastingly in the realm beyond. Till then I will need him for each leap.
    The more i learn more i become aware of my ignorance
    Awareness of ignorance is wisdom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekimhtims View Post
    Revelation or religious based stream of consciousness?
    Obviously the latter masquerading as that former. Telling others to hold on for the answer (which you presumably claim to have) either means that you don't have it, and want others to believe that you do, or believe others are as yet incapable of understanding it, short of your guidance. Neither look good for you; the first has you as a false prophet, the second as a prophet necessary for others' benefaction. Nothing good has come out of either.
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    Words of wisdom one Mr. Ekimhtims:
    “Jerrybaldy, it is presumptuous of anyone to judge the merits of another's intent, but you're invective's against kiz paws in particular, and others by extension, are just hostile. Feel free to feel nauseated, but no need to puke in another's lap simply because you worked your own tummy up.”
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    You've mistaken my critique of Jerrybaldy for his having judged others' emotional states (something inherently internal and personal) for my critique of yourself based on your claims to have some future "unresolved issue" on which you said "things would be clear soon." Quite different.

    I'm of a particularly open mind, but if you fail to provide what you've promised, and fail to withstand analysis of your claims then you will only convince yourself and the gullible of your "truth."

    If your writings in this particular thread are not literary, but intended to propagate a particular religious view, then I'm not sure they are being spoken in the right type of forum.

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    U sir r too presumptive!God bless u with better sense&ls very well knows as to what 'Philosophy' means&stands for, so he proceeds on............
    PS: u r welcome with as many 'comments' without any 'reactions'!By the way: have u become forums Moderator?
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