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    Jnani Where are you lost?
    Seeker I was ruminating over my helpless state.
    Jnani I know what are you thinking? You must bear in mind that I exist not only in your mind but also permeate in each and every cell of your body.
    Seeker But this time is the last I seek your help. Now when we reach your level (limit), I will forgo you forever and remain in the realm beyond you.
    Jnani But this is impossible. Nothing exists beyond me.
    Seeker Let us see!
    Jnani Bravo, but shallow words, anyway start….!
    Seeker You say, you permeate in each and every cell of human body but it cannot be, because your nature is of pure intelligence whereas human body is controlled by mind.
    Jnani Wrong. The activity of body is controlled by mind but the body discharges its functions automatically. You can compare it with a machine which operates on energy (me) and functions automatically.
    Seeker You imply that body and mind are separate, the mind only controls its activity!
    Jnani Exactly.
    Seeker Then what is mind?
    Jnani Mind is simply waves and waves of thoughts which it gathers through five senses, transmitted via brain.
    Seeker You mean mind is composed of ‘data’ it receives from brain which in turn is fed by the senses. Then what is its function?
    Jnani It discriminates the data stored in the brain and on that it establishes its identity.
    Seeker That shows you exist only in body cells and your ‘existence’ in the mind is only secondary.
    Jnani No (emphatically)! My existence in the universe is conscious and I transmit that conscious to the mind also.
    Seeker Meaning thereby, your existence is direct in both body and mind.
    Jnani Yes.
    Seeker This is contradictory. The data that is received by mind via brain is always incomplete and the other transmitted through the universe, as you say, must be ‘complete’. Here is the contradiction! Or are you leading me to believe that the ‘data’ you transmit direct to mind from the universe is in itself complete and it enlightens completeness the one received (incomplete) from the senses.
    Jnani Of course, my direct existence in the mind is only for this purpose. I improve and purify the data stored in mind. This is made possible by the quality of discrimination that is possessed by the mind.
    Seeker Do you exist in body or mind or intelligence (quality of discrimination) or in all of them?
    Jnani I have told you already, I exist everywhere, and my existence is eternal.
    Seeker But it seems your levels of existence are numerous!
    Jnani How?
    Seeker The data sent by the senses is incomplete; therefore the store-house of data is also incomplete. Naturally composition of mind which is waves of thoughts is also incomplete. Why do you reveal yourself in incomplete, when would you reveal your completeness, your wholeness if that is possible?
    Jnani I exist in veiled manner, only seeker like you realize my complete identity, which is pure-intelligence.
    Seeker How have you gone down from your pure-state to gross level (veiled self)?
    Jnani In my original state of mass-less void (casual) to mass-less (subtle) I assumed ‘activity’. In my former state I was whole, complete and had no second. After assuming ‘activity’ I became two. And then I transformed into my third state of manifestation (gross). Now I am in my third state of gross manifestation. But in each state I exist.
    Seeker But state of your existence has gone down from casual, subtle to gross. In each manifestation you have been forced to assume ‘latent’ existence. The role of your manifestation is visible by ‘outer’ activity, but you have been relegated. The conscious activity in each manifestation has created its own conscious level (intelligence) and you have been super-imposed. How would you regain your original state of statelessness when your identity has been covered by the conscious level of your manifestations which are in as many numbers as your conscious particles?
    Jnani Have you still not understood the meaning of “after the completion of each cycle of evolution I go back in my original”!
    Seeker This clearly indicates your misery; your salvation is linked with our salvation. You can not attain your original until we complete our completion (salvation) by completely identifying ourselves with you. Then it is in your own interest to hasten our journey of enlightenment.
    Jnani But that is not possible1 I am bond within my principle with which I have bonded the nature also. Each manifestation has to complete its course of evolution and transform itself into another till the ultimate manifestation is born, wherein the qualities of all previous manifestation found----the epitome of all qualities in which I shall abound in my three states (casual-subtle-gross).
    Seeker Without your ‘telling’ I understand, you mean human beings.
    The more i learn more i become aware of my ignorance
    Awareness of ignorance is wisdom

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    Jnani Yes, human beings! He is the perfect model of all the evolutions (transformations) that took place so far. In him are available all the qualities that abounds in nature. All levels of consciousness found in nature are imparted in him. He is also above them because in him, I am embodied in my complete effulgence. In his destiny (journey) lies my salvation (completion).
    Seeker Man being your embodiment is something more also. He is capable to transcend you too and attain greater heights.
    Jnani I am again hearing your stale tune, the way I am forced to hear the same sound in my manifestations since their creation. I am bored hearing my own sound in my creations.
    Seeker It is your fault that you are hearing the same sound, but are not trying to decipher the music beyond it, the beauty, and the bliss from where you originated. Why don’t you try to find out its source? If you were the source, you would not be bored with it, rather be happy to hear so many variations of the source and enjoy their melodies. Even now it is time to realize your limitations and search with me, the Source, the Supreme-Reality---the One Truth, from whom you originated. But your problem I realize; you are ‘intellect’ and you are endowed with quality of reasoning, so you want proofs, the visible proofs, which are discern-able in your manifestations! But what did cause you, is invisible to you! Thus limited being your qualities, which force you again and again to observe your creations only, but your own-self!
    So far you have not been able to give a satisfactory answer about the cause of ‘activity’ in you. You tell me that it was caused by the composite ‘activity’ withdrawn from your manifestation, but what about the time, when the first, the original cycle of evolution was started by you; where from it got its activity? There are so many other questions, but they would come up gradually. Do not be adamant, give in; it is in humbleness lies real wisdom.
    Jnani Your aim so far has been to attain (realize) me. Why have you again gone into the vagaries of your mind?
    Seeker Then you admit, sir, the mind is full of ‘vagaries as you put it!
    Jnani Of course my manifestations, after using me a bit, super-impose me with their sub-realities.
    Seeker But there are no super-impositions, it is only their ignorance which they impose upon you.
    Jnani It is simply to convey that by relegating me to latent condition, they are living in their realities which are, of course, not realities but half-fed ‘data’ which they receive from their charged bodies. Charged senses transmit only incomplete ‘data’!
    Seeker So you also agree, the target of our search is man (human being). Let us begin our task in real earnest, sincerely and faithfully.

    Before our joint effort in search of reality could begin a novel experience happened, which in itself was unique and fully rewarding. Though at first I protested but later I realized that whatever I went through, was essential and my good old friend ‘intellect’ was right in making me a Ginny pig in his experiment, but I willingly associated in it and was magnificently rewarded, a soul raising reward. I am indebted to my friend and he deserves mysalutations and I salute to him in appreciation of his ‘experiment’.
    Jnani Since you have been my good disciple by acquiring worldly knowledge; ultimately stood up to me and now wishes to part my company. I can not let you off so lightly, as whatever you have been able to acquire that was because of my grace; otherwise you were a mere body immersed in its world of pleasures! It was me who raised you from gross level but now you confront me! This is the reward you give me, for all the troubles I took for you! Therefore I have decided now to put you back to the level, I raised you from. In case you raise yourself on your own, without my help, I would gladly join your efforts and help you in furthering your search otherwise you douse in the mire, where you were before I met you. However I will grant you three boons which would be essential tools for your rise. Three women would come into your life, in quick succession; each possessing one quality of ‘Tamo’ (sloth), Rajo (passion) and ‘Sato” (righteousness) respectively. If you are able to come out of their influence, you would meet me again, realize your present self, and otherwise spend your remaining days on earth, in the comforts of their qualities which would not be bad bargain!
    Seeker What are you doing to me?
    Jnani I am taking back your present consciousness, which is incidentally my boon and putting you in quite a different set up, which would suit you in your pursuits. But I am giving you back your lost youth. By the way, you are a good specimen of your specie. When I took you in my fold, you had good body charms, vigorous strength and a capable mind. I am giving you back all except your past environments (intellectual attainments) and consciousness.
    Seeker You mean you are taking back my memory and all that relates to my past. In nut-shell you are replacing my past, with a new (blank) one. But that could prove disastrous to me! Suppose I lose myself in your temptations (which you are presenting me in the shape of three women) I would be lost for ever. On the other hand, I would like to accept your challenge and achieve the same heights again without your help. I am willing to become a tool in the nefarious laboratory of your experiment. I will confront you again, because I am a seeker; put me wherever you like, I will seek and seek. That is my inheritance coming to me by genes. I will re-create the same circumstances (consciousness). Rest assure, do with me as you wish. I say audio to you, to my present consciousness. Goodbye.
    Jnani I ‘Will’ you to be……
    The more i learn more i become aware of my ignorance
    Awareness of ignorance is wisdom

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    Umeshwari Shantnu, what I have learnt, through experience so far, is, body of its own does not give us pleasure. Neither sense organs nor senses of perception give us pleasure. It grows in our mind, by its contact with the world external, and senses create sensations which are transmitted to the brain and mind enjoys the scene. Then it is the mind, who is the sole master. Body or its senses are its mere tools.
    Shantnu So far, we can assume that.
    Umeshwari You imply there are other masters above the mind!
    Shantnu We shall take them one by one. Now we take only mind and we shall concern ourselves only with mind.
    Umeshwari What is the mind? It is not that big an enigma that we can’t understand. After all, it is in our body and like body; we can always control or direct it, the way we want.
    Shantnu Very wisely said. Now tell me, can you ever control anything, just anything in nature. Can you control rain, flow of rivers, growth of mountains/trees or any other thing which is part of the evolutionary process? You cannot. You can mutilate some parts of the nature but can’t stop or divert it from its predestined goal. Man may utilize its elements for his progress or destruction but the overall scheme of nature is fathomless, i.e., indestructible. After all, the very purpose of nature is to complete its prescribed course (of evolution) and shower its benefits of resources on the humanity at large. We can use its fruits and resources for the benefits of the humanity at large or for our destruction, is our choice.
    Human body and now mind is also its creation. We cannot control it. But it is, in our power, to use it for our benefit or destruction.
    Umeshwari If we can’t control it, and then it will control our lives.
    Shantnu The way we can’t control the nature, same way, we can’t control our mind. By controlling nature we would assume the power of its creation, which is unimaginable. The very process of nature lies in its own unique faculty of consciousness. Like it, the process of life on earth planet is based on consciousness. Whole existence, including living beings, is conscious and our existence is also conscious. Mind is nothing else but the faculty of consciousness by which we are able to observe our existence and that of the world.
    Umeshwari You mean, mind is the ability of consciousness derived from nature. If it is so, then why are we unable to perceive the whole universe?
    Shantnu We can become conscious of the whole universe, when our consciousness merges, with the consciousness of the existence itself, which is also known as supra-consciousness, supra-intelligence or cosmic-consciousness.
    Umeshwari Then how did we constrict our conscious level from cosmic consciousness to body-conscious level only? It is a big leap downward from dizzy height to an abyss.
    Shantnu By detaching ourselves from cosmic level to grosser levels i.e., by associating ourselves to physical world, we began to see ourselves as physical entities only and waste our lives in our pursuits of fulfilling our wants, needs, comforts and pleasures. If we withdraw our consciousness from cosmic consciousness and concentrate on objective world then we are nothing more than a physical object and we presume ourselves only as a body.
    Umeshwari It is a great misfortune, humanity has brought on itself. How can we regain our lost contact and again level with cosmic consciousness of which we are a part?
    Shantnu By understanding the objective world and its relevance to us, we can resume our journey to the realms hence lost to us or we might have become, willfully unconscious to them.
    Umeshwari Pray, continue fast. I am in a hurry to liberalize myself from this baser life of selfishness, where all energies are centered on our selfish ends and we spend our lives by fulfilling them. Why can’t man see that the purpose of his life is not to maintain him in luxurious surroundings but to know him also? We are part of a splendor, whose length, breadth is immeasurable, but we are satisfied by merely becoming its inert tool and not trying to know it. I am born of parents and want to know about them but I am a part of this colossal universe and I am not trying to know about it, what a shame!
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    Awareness of ignorance is wisdom

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    Shantnu It is not that alarming as you assume. There are always some, who unshackle themselves and make a try. Knowing about our lineage is as important as knowing about our creation. Man has immense capacity and always dares the impossible. But knowing about one’s own-self is not a journey to outer realms; it is a journey from here to here. We start from ourselves and end the journey at our-self. It knows about the self and that was, and is, part of the grand splendor, as you call it.
    Let me start it, right now. I am really in hurry.
    Shantnu Not that fast, my dear. First we have to create perfect balance in us. That is, we become a normal human being. Only in normal condition would we be able to observe the worlds within and without. Before starting we must gauze the limits, the capacity of our tools, with which we undertake the endeavor.
    Umeshwari The only tool we require is mind.
    Shantnu You jump to the conclusions very fast. First, we shall have to know our present mind, its composition, how it functions and how it is fed with all the data, reactions and forms its opinions; its source of information and how far we can depend on its capability! We must know about its present state of affairs, its optimum capacity to observe, react, discharge, and its real relevance to the ground realities of external/internal worlds.
    Umeshwari You are assigning it a gigantic task.
    Shantnu Dear, don’t under-estimate it. It is a world unto itself. It has the capacity to store in it the entire knowledge of the universe.
    Umeshwari But it is a tiny fellow, confined in our heads. Such a proportionless limits are really in its realm, seem irrational!
    Shantnu To know the world and to acquire its total knowledge, the medium is only mind. So it is logical, it has the capacity to absorb the total knowledge.
    Umeshwari Such a tiny fellow, capable of encompassing the cosmos! What a pity, we have confined it, to body levels only.
    Shantnu Nothing strange, it is through the body that we come to know of it, the universe and the self (us).
    Umeshwari Why first we should know about the world and then venture inside and know it? Is knowingof the outside world necessary to know ourselves?
    Shantnu By knowing external, we know internal. Otherwise we are living in objective world and our mind is always involved with them. We can persuade it inward only if its tools make it aware about the faculty of external world, as nothing that it attaches to is permanent, hence incapable of giving everlasting joy or happiness, then it would withdraw from outside, not out of ignorance or as an escape but by understanding their utilities and their relevance to it (mind). Only then would it confine itself into itself and redirect itself to inner regions and seek to know about consciousness of which it was a part, shall again become a part to recover its wholeness.
    Umeshwari Seems a long journey and I was in a hurry. Atom by atom, item by item, we shall have to go along with it and try to know the objects which attract it. Instead of knowing the whole universe for that is its limit, should not we try to know the cause of its attraction, rather than the attraction itself? That would be easy and simple.
    Shantnu My dear, its present attraction lies in external world, the visible world, thus entire universe is its field of attraction. Knowingly or unknowingly it is leading towards its source.
    Umeshwari But its source lies in itself, as per your version, then why it seeks outside that lies inside.
    Shantnu It is logical as consciousness abounds in inert and living beings, equally but, used to as we are, it observes consciousness in existence, only of physical world. And when it knows about itself, it becomes a sole master of the objective world and revels in that only. It desires on and on the body-senses and pursues relentlessly its contact with the objective world and through them it seems to enjoy their fruits.
    Umeshwari Knowing about every object in the world and then bringing it back to itself involves an impossible exercise both for the knowledge and intellect. Insurmountable task lies ahead.
    The more i learn more i become aware of my ignorance
    Awareness of ignorance is wisdom

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    Shantnu Not only that, you come across as many worlds inside that the present mind boggles and leaps in the pleasant sanctum known as shells. When it cannot encounter the world outside, it conveniently creates (imagines) its own and lies composed in them.
    Umeshwari I am really staggered to think about all this. Shall we really be able to come out of it or let ourselves wander with it to the words external or go with it to the shells, nursing in its realms?
    Shantnu Knowing the mind is, like a lost needle, in the vast expense of the cosmos and if at all we do find it, we have to thread it by a top-class intellect, pierce all the roaming cosmos, in a garland of wisdom and put it around the cosmic consciousness.
    Umeshwari To me it looks like a vast jungle, with no way inside. Every inch of land is full of dense trees, wild growth and wild life found in abundance. Above the jungle of mind, the space is full of slush of lower tendencies. How and from where to start, that is the problem. Even if we start at one point, shall it lead us across the jungle, even more severe in conditions than the one just traversed?
    Shantnu First step is the most difficult one. But the trail you leave behind shall be followed by the coming generations, not that such trails do not exist already. Too many, for too many, paths are available, each promises green pastures in the realms beyond but not two of them look alike. So in this journey, each one makes one’s own trail and finds the goal alone. Others may guide us, show us directions but their directions are according to the capacity/ability of their tools, with which they had made the trails. Every path leads to individual goal. The journey is very strenuous and lonesome, but rewarding. Take courage and plunge, we may find the way. But, first let us sharpen our tools so that we cut away the unwanted weeds and pursuer our goal.
    Umeshwari Shantnu, it is a very tiresome way. Can’t we pursue some other path?
    Shantnu It all depends upon the goal, you want to achieve. If you want momentary pleasures, body is the vessel. In case, you want happiness, you simply create balance between heart and mind. If it is bliss, suppress the mind, channelise your emotions and ride on temporary basis. Pleasure, happiness bliss or liberation, salvation (Moksh) are one thing but ultimate-reality is just another. If you seek it, knowledge-mind-intellect-wisdom is the only path.
    Umeshwari Is god, not the aim? Does not everything else subsume in HIM?
    Shantnu Umesh, you as usual, jump too fast. God is an unknown ‘commodity’ to me! So, I am unable to comment on Him.
    Umeshwari But is He, not an ultimate reality.
    Shantnu I refuse to comment. Right now, we are discussing only the mind, nothing else. If our joint endeavor takes us to reality level and we feel there is something beyond, definitely, we shall pursue that too.
    Umeshwari You are an obstinate one; always specific to the point, no aside digression. Unpopular teacher but with excellent charms!
    Shantnu My child angel, in the pursuit of knowledge, there should be no ambiguity, no double meaning talk. In this pursuit, we should have a dictionary which contains one word for each subject and each and every word is complete in itself. Love means love. It has no gradation as body-love, worldly-love, fatherly, motherly, sisterly, brotherly, or friendly love. It is one love that is common in all.
    Umeshwari Then a Jnani’s dictionary is very compact.
    Shantnu Truth or Reality is one word. Why should we need so many words to know about one word? From the vast vocabulary of man, -a seeker------ (at this word he again grips his head with both hands and presses-it mercilessly).
    Umeshwari Why this word, troubles you so much?
    Shantnu Umesh, I don’t know. It has something to do with my past. He felt exhausted by putting great strain on his latent memory, to recollect the relevance of the word ‘seeker’ to his forgotten past.
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    Mercifully, they were relieved of the situation by the sudden arrival of Angelee, always smiling, as fresh as the ripe apples hanging overhead. It was good she lived in seclusion; otherwise her beaming smile would infer open invitation to the lonely hearts. It was Gobi’s love that was blossoming off-bonds which she could hardly contain.
    Once Shantnu had asked her,
    ‘Don’t you feel lonely here? Far away from the maddening crowds! Your son schooling at Shimla and here you both are living a life of seclusion.
    ‘No, uncle, we have found the meaning of life. We love reach other and that love sustains our lives. What more is there in the world!
    This was Angelee of Gopi (her husband), an urbanite of Manali; did her graduation in a renowned college of Jesus and Mary, now prepared to live, only on love! Outside world did not exist for them except for rare trips to Shimla, Kulu and Manali to see their son, meet her parents or buy some necessities of life. Otherwise, they sustained on each other.
    Shantnu loved them and so did Umeshwari. Their each gesture towards Umeshwari and now Shantnu was full of love, they spoke only one language and that was love, love in practice.
    Lunch today was different than the normal routine of juice. There was a big plate of salad and two bowls of tomato soup. Angelee brought them occasional variation to avoid staleness in taste.
    After lunch they sat in his room and relaxed. They observed complete silence. They even closed their eyes to avoid contact with each other. Their bodies were relaxed though minds were at the helm. Each was trying in his/her owning way, clear the weeds and carving a new trail. But plantation of tendencies had rooted deep and plucking them along with the roots, was a difficult task.
    Umeshwari Gopi and Angelee are so happy. They have sufficient means to settle in any city and they won’t feel at odds there as both are well educated. You know, my father, had given the orchard to me, as a gift which I further gave it to Gopi and Angelee. It was a ten acres orchard, which they have now expanded and improved. All the income goes to them, which is enough to support them, in case they settle in a city. But they prefer to live here. It seems, they get from each other, what they want. What I am angling at is, whether it is necessary to pursue ‘knowledge’ and seek realms, we are unaware! Can’t we live like Gopi and Angelee and he happy? After all, love is the ultimate goal. And we get it from each other, why bother our brains for higher states, whose attainment is, love too!
    Shantnu Umesh, we cannot realize total love unless we understand its tributaries of attraction, attachment, affection, compassion, kindness and lastly-love itself. We have to experience each state, finally, to merge in love.
    Umeshwari You had stated earlier, love could be attained through the richness of sensation, emotion and sensitivity, or by rationality and logic. The former comes by biological process of contact (it creates sensation), relation (sensation generates emotions) and finer sensitivity blooms love feelings,
    Shantnu Love achieved by this process would be local (individual and momentary.) As opposing sensations/emotions always attack, we would be swayed this or that way. For lasting and universal love rationality and logic are essential besides of course, emotional richness.
    Umeshwari So emotional love is momentary and confined only to the person we love or our love pours for him. Now one last question about body love, there is Tantric way of realizing love or bliss. What is that?
    Shantnu There is an ancient cult in India, known as Tantric. It is simply a way to extend ecstatic moments felt at the time of orgasm.
    Umeshwari Please explain. Why do you always feel shy of talking about sensual enjoyments?
    Shantnu I am not feeling shy or guilty. It is your chaste endowment that I feel a little out of the sorts. Otherwise from what I have been through, it looks like, I was a charging bull of some sort.
    Umeshwari You have been deporting yourself efficiently. Kamani, Devayana are living proof of it. Now about Tantric art!
    Shantnu Why are you insistent about sex and its enjoyment. Self indulgence is no enjoyment at all. Any way, Tantric cult had devised a physical science, by which body’s erotic zones (negative zone) could be controlled and made to obey. Constant practice, diabolical rituals promoted their stability powers and they indulged in sex, rituals, systematically and on prescribed rules. The ultimate purpose was to lengthen their ecstatically moments/feelings. They called these final moments as bliss. Pure hypocrisy it was. Actually, this black art of sensual enjoyment was invented too by the aristocracy. It gave them a free license to cohabit with any woman in the crowd. In a way, it was a show of mass-sex…
    Umeshwari Shantnu, is sex really so dominant that we revile under it and forget all the finer aspects of relationship? Why passion is so predominant in our lives?
    The more i learn more i become aware of my ignorance
    Awareness of ignorance is wisdom

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