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    Elite of Society
    The elite of the society, mostly film actors/actresses, super pop stars, models and strayed neo-rich youths, a western product of the electronic age. This motley crowd, completely bereft of the finer values of life is roaming the world, in search of peace. They possessed beauty of body, wealth and highly charged energies and had reached the optimum level in their chosen fields. Beyond that, they stared at dead ends. Finding no way further, their charged energies began to consume them. As all of them were used to competitive life, and had reached their acme by sheer doggedness of purpose, now felt incapable to stretch any further and their brimming energies were dammed. In the realization of their ambitions they had acquired a fiery impetus, which, now was stalled but its drive constantly impelled them and their live swayed. They sought the release of their blocked energies but there was no way out. They were not a motley crowed but were the cream of their professions highly ambitious, completive, possessive and used to a fife style, which breeds arrogance, pride , jealously, hatred and sky high ego. They were a merciless lot as in achieving their aims; they had destroyed the lives of their competitors. In making themselves they had unmade others.
    They were the super stars, the celebrities, whose images had made soft niches in the hearts of their fans. Ordinary folks, simply, worshipped them, their sensational exposure, enthralled the barren lives of love torn hearts. They were not only the masters of their professions but the masters of the hearts of their fans.
    But in real life, their sizes were lesser than those of the ordinary mortals, they were the real midgets. As their sizes were many times, lesser than the images they had projected in the external world. They existed only in their images and inflated personalities. And to so keep up to these images, they constantly endeavored to devour others, who came in their way. Continuous strain imbalanced their lives, and invariably they yielded under its stress and became drunkard, drug addicts and what not. In the achievement of their ambitions, they had destroyed themselves, as they lived in fantasies, and drifted away from themselves. They had built colossal identities on the sandy foundations of images but their inner identities vanished.
    Now in the search of their vanished identities, they sought help, again from the external world and took shelter in the mansions, whose innkeepers, the so called master, the pseudo intellectuals, selling attractive wares, like transcendental meditation (TM), salvation, liberation, peace and wisdom, at very attractive prices. These masters are running a chain of extra modern nurseries providing everything but the promised wares.
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    Sense Organs
    It is our own projections that we seek in others. We seek in others, our projection of pleasure, joy and love. We have pleasure in us--- which we have experienced due to our own self-indulgence or through metal flights---we want it to be reciprocated! If the partner bounces it back, we say, pleasure has been attained. If not, we are disappointed.
    of the 83, 99,999 species of living beings, only man eats cooked food. Please note, when I use the word ‘man’ it includes woman, of course. Also we eat meat of living beings. It is unnatural to eat cooked food and kill animals and eat them. It was natural to eat meat, when man was evolving from animal state but when he has come of age after living through so many civilizations, matured through as many cultures, is it wise for him to behave like animals? At least, we must imitate animals and eat not to gorge our bellies and satisfy our palates but to just sustain them.
    Our tongue is the most important step in the advancement of man, in his journey to realization. It has two functions to discharge. It tastes and talks. For its tastes, it impels man (or it is the mind that does the dictating) to place before it scores of courses of food. Highly qualified chefs are engaged to prepare delicious dishes, extravagantly decorated on vast dining tables. For a table of four, nearly a fortune is spent, enough for a poor family to live on for a year. But to what purpose, all this labor when all that is eaten shall be out of the body as waste, whose smell its producer cannot stand? Too much eating is also harmful for the upkeep of the body. It ushers in many desires. Gluttons live not long. Moreover, it keeps the man in the shackles of sense organs. It breeds negative (Tamasic) tendencies. No glutton has ever made into a genius or a master. So, we should take food according to necessity, only to satisfy our hunger of bodies, not quench the inexhaustible hunger of taste.
    The second function of tongue is the faculty of talk. The original purpose of speech was to communicate our needs and share our experiences. We graduated from sign language to talk and to present day languages. We shall discuss about the evolution from sound to scripts, later. Now we shall confine ourselves to its physical functions only. Now we go on talking and talking, blabbering out meaningless talk, which has no relevance to our existence. We have devalued its significance and use it simply to mesmerize others. It was meant to convey the beauty in the symphony of nature. Sweetness was it nature and sweet, musical words should come from it in place of vulgar vocabulary. We should talk less and listen more. We are basically, learners. No one has mastered the nature, so what is there to talk. Even Masters, who are aware, use it very wisely. They know it tarnishes the language of their thoughts. They communicate in subtle ways for they know human vocabulary is incomplete to express nature and it also wastes precious energy. To preserve energy and to prevent quarrels, embarrassment, spreading of ignorance, it should be used minimally only to convey what is most essential, not to impress others.
    Eyes are meant to remove physical blindness of man and to enjoy the beauties of nature but we are also using them for petty and lower purposes. Now tell me, how do you use them?
    Our eyes are mere organs. They can only see but cannot react. It is the faculty of sight in them that makes them see, so is the sense of sight that observes but is also cannot have pleasure as it lacks qualities of discrimination. Sight itself is incapable to decide whether a scene or an object is pleasing or displeasing. It is again the mind that enjoys the pleasure. In food also, it was the mind not the tongue that enjoys.
    But eyes and tongue have their reactions. Eyes react to all the elements, wind, cold, heat, water, etc. and they flutter accordingly.
    It is the mind which enjoys the food. In food also when we eat some dish, tongue only tastes its sweetness/sourness and immediately sends message to the brain. Mind discriminates the tastes and decides which dish the most was deliciously prepared. It is the mind that does the comparison and develops its standards. It is the mind that impels sense of smell and taste and induces watering of the tongue.
    Some way ears, nose, hands are also discharging the functions of the body. Their faculties of hearing, smell and touch are the communicating tools of the mind. You take away the mind; the bearer is immediately bereft of his friends. A fool though, tastes, smells, hears, touches and sees but he does not enjoy and discriminate their fruits. He does not derive pleasure out of them.
    Whenever our sense organs discharge any act, their subtle bodies (senses) convey their experiences to the brain which stores all data collected through sense organs. It is the mind that does the comparison and sets it definition of pleasure.
    Sense organs are vital parts of body machine. Body is only a machine. It is the mind that controls it and runs it according to its whims., mind gets pleasure, then its composition should be solid whereas it is subtle/invisible.
    Senses are subtle and the messages of observations they transmit to the mind through brain are invisible
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    Quote Originally Posted by little-self View Post
    Sense Organs
    It is our own projections that we seek in others. We seek in others, our projection of pleasure, joy and love. We have pleasure in us--- which we have experienced due to our own self-indulgence or through metal flights---we want it to be reciprocated! If the partner bounces it back, we say, pleasure has been attained. If not, we are disappointed.
    of the 83, 99,999 species of living beings, only man eats cooked food. Please note, when I use the word Ďmaní it includes woman, of course. Also we eat meat of living beings. It is unnatural to eat cooked food and kill animals and eat them. It was natural to eat meat, when man was evolving from animal state but when he has come of age after living through so many civilizations, matured through as many cultures, is it wise for him to behave like animals? At least, we must imitate animals and eat not to gorge our bellies and satisfy our palates but to just sustain them.
    Our tongue is the most important step in the advancement of man, in his journey to realization. It has two functions to discharge. It tastes and talks. For its tastes, it impels man (or it is the mind that does the dictating) to place before it scores of courses of food. Highly qualified chefs are engaged to prepare delicious dishes, extravagantly decorated on vast dining tables. For a table of four, nearly a fortune is spent, enough for a poor family to live on for a year. But to what purpose, all this labor when all that is eaten shall be out of the body as waste, whose smell its producer cannot stand? Too much eating is also harmful for the upkeep of the body. It ushers in many desires. Gluttons live not long. Moreover, it keeps the man in the shackles of sense organs. It breeds negative (Tamasic) tendencies. No glutton has ever made into a genius or a master. So, we should take food according to necessity, only to satisfy our hunger of bodies, not quench the inexhaustible hunger of taste.
    The second function of tongue is the faculty of talk. The original purpose of speech was to communicate our needs and share our experiences. We graduated from sign language to talk and to present day languages. We shall discuss about the evolution from sound to scripts, later. Now we shall confine ourselves to its physical functions only. Now we go on talking and talking, blabbering out meaningless talk, which has no relevance to our existence. We have devalued its significance and use it simply to mesmerize others. It was meant to convey the beauty in the symphony of nature. Sweetness was it nature and sweet, musical words should come from it in place of vulgar vocabulary. We should talk less and listen more. We are basically, learners. No one has mastered the nature, so what is there to talk. Even Masters, who are aware, use it very wisely. They know it tarnishes the language of their thoughts. They communicate in subtle ways for they know human vocabulary is incomplete to express nature and it also wastes precious energy. To preserve energy and to prevent quarrels, embarrassment, spreading of ignorance, it should be used minimally only to convey what is most essential, not to impress others.
    Eyes are meant to remove physical blindness of man and to enjoy the beauties of nature but we are also using them for petty and lower purposes. Now tell me, how do you use them?
    Our eyes are mere organs. They can only see but cannot react. It is the faculty of sight in them that makes them see, so is the sense of sight that observes but is also cannot have pleasure as it lacks qualities of discrimination. Sight itself is incapable to decide whether a scene or an object is pleasing or displeasing. It is again the mind that enjoys the pleasure. In food also, it was the mind not the tongue that enjoys.
    But eyes and tongue have their reactions. Eyes react to all the elements, wind, cold, heat, water, etc. and they flutter accordingly.
    It is the mind which enjoys the food. In food also when we eat some dish, tongue only tastes its sweetness/sourness and immediately sends message to the brain. Mind discriminates the tastes and decides which dish the most was deliciously prepared. It is the mind that does the comparison and develops its standards. It is the mind that impels sense of smell and taste and induces watering of the tongue.
    Some way ears, nose, hands are also discharging the functions of the body. Their faculties of hearing, smell and touch are the communicating tools of the mind. You take away the mind; the bearer is immediately bereft of his friends. A fool though, tastes, smells, hears, touches and sees but he does not enjoy and discriminate their fruits. He does not derive pleasure out of them.
    Whenever our sense organs discharge any act, their subtle bodies (senses) convey their experiences to the brain which stores all data collected through sense organs. It is the mind that does the comparison and sets it definition of pleasure.
    Sense organs are vital parts of body machine. Body is only a machine. It is the mind that controls it and runs it according to its whims., mind gets pleasure, then its composition should be solid whereas it is subtle/invisible.
    Senses are subtle and the messages of observations they transmit to the mind through brain are invisible
    Samuel Johnson.
    Et ignotas animum dimittit in artes.

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    Never heard of him! since 1982 little-self has not read any other books except ancient Indian thought ----especially on spirituality!Moreover l-s all his life has been a learner, whatever he writes is entirely based on the self-knowledge acquired during the coarse of his life, hence similarity in thoughts is natural outcome! whatever is contained in the article are biological facts, hence howsoever does the self-inquiry on the subject of sense organs wud come to the same conclusion, nothing surprising!
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    I understand, but this is a literature tipped forum, at last...
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    The whole idea is: we should put proper restraint over our senses so that our senses of perception, after sieving negative tendencies vibes, send only positive tendencies vibes to our intelligence, which after applying sense of discrimination extract out the gist of pure-intellect ----consequentially attain to the heights of wisdom----the pivot of literature! literature is the inherit-ency each civilization pass on to posterity!
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    Difference between the storage system of space and brain!
    Baser life, engrossed in lower tendencies, exude similar sounds and images, which are stored in lower levels of earth’s atmosphere. As earth’s atmosphere is the basis for our life on earth, so anything relating to earth, is confined within its atmosphere. Vibrations of lower tendencies remain within earth’s atmosphere. As the level of thoughts assumes more subtle forms their sound and images rise above the confines of earth and reach higher levels. But our mind is choosy. It has developed a sense of likes/dislikes, good/bad, gain/loss etc. and it attaches itself more towards positive side than the negative. So baser emotions (ideas) though initially stored at lower levels but mind relegate them further to its far niches.But there are subtle ideas in its repository, such as, its own creations (shells). The world it has created with its imaginations, not based on actual experience but entirely its creations.
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    Nothing that exists in this world is useless or superfluous. Every object, live or inert has a specific role in the scheme of nature. Each sensation/emotion creates an idea, which again is a part of nature. Any act discharged, is also an extension of nature. Nature is not different from us. We are the nature, since we have inherited its rich treasures. It is another matter that we have dissociated ourselves from nature and are content in the enjoyment of its treasures.
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    Harmony with Nature
    We are governed by society, its laws, judiciary, culture, religion, sociology, economic conditions, political atmosphere and psychology. All these control our outer behavior which later influences our thinking process. Then there is atmospheric factor. Whether it is cold or hot or both? It affects our body chemistry and we behave accordingly. Persons living in cold areas behave differently than to people living in Africa. Body behavior, habits, nature of crime etc., differ from one weather zone to another.
    Similarly, the solar family of which earth is a member also affects us. All the planets are directly affecting our mineral wealth on earth. The types of minerals found on earth have direct relation with other planets. Each planet has a specific portion of minerals which will not be found on another planet. If these are found, it would be scarce in quantity. Each planet is vested with different and special minerals, but all of them are found on earth.
    . While at gross (body) level, why are we involved with the objective world only?
    History is witness, whenever or wherever such exodus has taken place such areas were always prone to troubles
    In nut-shell, exchange of both, lands (minerals) and people is un-natural! To some extent, it are right. People forced to leave their lands and cultures have not been able to assimilate with their new lands/peoples even after centuries. They always try to find their roots.
    Then what is to be done! Man is a helpless tool, tossed this or that way by the elements. Incapacitated he is by him imperfect senses and is being mauled in an incomplete molds of nature! Still he survives.
    By the power of adaptability to survive; put him in any situation, he will adapt. He not only adapts but transforms himself suitably to new situations. Nature has taught him well. Like nature, he tries to maintain balance. Nature keeps perfect balance in the scheme of her evolution. Deserts, snows, forests, vegetation, oceans, are where, they should be. It is man who is disturbing the nature’s chemistry and is suffering because of that. Nature had sufficient resources to sustain life on earth but man has overpopulated and has annihilated forestry. In the name of progress, nuclear tests are being carried out is oceans, outer space and underground. Industrial revolution has made inroad in green pastures. Chemical wastes, crude energy pollution, are destroying precious species and in the bargain mankind is faced with dreadful diseases----the outcome of their advancement. Ecological imbalance is hovering over the human race leading to its doom. Man must learn from nature. It is in continuous evolution but in the process does not annihilate. Mammoth galaxies, comprising millions of stars, constellations, comets, planets, are on the move. Each is moving around the other but not a fraction of second is missed or over-lapped. Man made satellites, get destroyed due to one snag or another. But natural satellites are circulating around their stars since ages and there has been no instance of time lap or time gap.
    Man is in hurry, he creates material objects whose life span is very short. He plans, keeping in view narrows perspective. He creates for his comforts or destruction. But nature creates to evolve itself to fuller heights-to ultimate completion and perfection.

    Man should work in harmony with nature. Whatever nature creates is for its fostering as well as for the benefit of humanity. Material progress by man is necessary but not by destroying himself and natural resources. Otherwise, his progress will lead him to doom one day. Look into the pages of man’s history on Earth planet. He has destroyed human races many a time but it is nature again that comes to his aid. During world war 2nd, male population in Germany had decreased alarmingly. But after the war, male population increased to make up the imbalance. Man destroyed but nature replenished the deficit. At any cost, nature keeps itself in balance. There is perfect harmony in nature. Man should also imbibe it as he is its creation.
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    Role of Man

    Nature which is inert has the attributes of conscience, like human beings!
    Both are as inert and lifeless as an entity is, without consciousness. If consciousness is withdrawn from them, both become inert and consequently their lower state, is aptly known as gross (consciousness). So whatever exists is consciousness and therefore, has all the attributes, qualities and states of consciousness that a living entity has. That means the conscience of Nature and human kind is synonymous.
    Though the role of man, in the evolutionary process is distinct and separately marked, both have a lot in common. Man is the miniature (microbe) representation of a vast system (macrocosm) of Nature, still he is much more than that because he is not limited and confined like Nature, which is bound to its cycle of creation - sustenance - destruction, whereas he has the ability to come out of its (nature) system and elevates himself beyond its binding spheres.

    But man has changed his direction and has turned away from nature. Instead of mastering the nature, he is destroying it. Whatever the scientists claim, their ‘creation’ is only derived from a combination of the basic materials found in nature. He has learnt the formula to make water by combining hydrogen and oxygen gases but which scientist has produced or created hydrogen and oxygen (?), sunlight has produced them. In the same manner whatever the scientist may produce is based only on the permutation and combination of already existing materials in Nature.
    Before seventy years man thought there was no greater force than atomic power. But now he has learnt there are other forces much greater than atomic power. But the man of today after understanding some gross elements of nature is using them for his own and nature’s destruction. Nature has vast powers. Man must harness them for his benefits but the self ruinous tendency in him is bringing untold miseries to mankind.
    The oceans contain enough air for the world to last for ten years. One lightening in the sky produces electricity, enough for the entire world for twenty years. Why can’t man harness these for the benefit of the entire world? The idea is man should learn to blend inner and outer sciences (knowledge) and work for the attainment of happiness instead of being overtly obsessed small gadgets for his comforts (or discomforts!).
    Material and inner sciences should make up the deficiencies of each other. Each is lame without the active support of the other.
    Now coming to your questions; nature is governed by three principles of reaction, reflection and resounds. The same three are imbibed by our mind. Whatever object it comes into contact with they produce reaction, reflection and resound which are immediately recorded in it. Any object or element, living or inert, engaged in activity or not, produces its instant reaction, reflection and resound. Since creation, space and mind have been storing in them, these three qualities of nature, and their own chemistry is governed by them. It is, therefore, of vital importance we should be extra vigilant about the type of objects we come into contact. We should train our senses, in such a manner, only relevant and fruitful persons/objects are reacted, reflected and resounded of. We are endowed with the sense of discrimination, which immediately screens the good side of a thing, it should be applied rigidly and the illusive tendency of imagination should be checked.
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    Name and Form
    The difference between Name and form is, name is the subtle body of the 'form'. Name exists even before the form! First there is the will, then thought (contemplation), conception and thereafter the form.
    No it is not like that. Before we implant the seedling we know the names of their forms, as mango-apple etc. Before a child is born we know it would be a human (child) being. The categories of life in nature are in the sequence of improvisation of evolution. Nothing in nature is happening, perchance or in haphazard way. From the design of nature, you would observe that each category of element or atom is linked in a chain. If any link in the chain is broken or damaged, others are affected too. These vast categories of life or elements create sounds. The baser their existence, baser is their sound (vibrations). As the quality of life goes on improving, so does the variation (subtlety) in sounds.
    Only human beings have mastered the art of sound - variation and created languages, whereas all other categories of life, like insects, crawlers, and bird’s animals interact with other members of their species, by emitting peculiar sounds, by which they identify themselves and convey their physical wants. These sounds are often given out in the form of vibrations. But remember it is the human race that possesses the faculty, to transmit its thoughts through the medium of language. Man is trying to fathom the minutest variation, intonation in the sound. He not only tries to decipher the voices of atmosphere and the space around him but is also going deeper into his mind - intellect, wisdom, and conscience and is deciphering their voices too. As we undergo through quality-wise transformations, our sounds too go through as many changes. At sensual level, we produce gross-sounds (outer-dialogue); at gross-mind, our accumulated knowledge stored in memory cells in the shape of sound-vibrations, converts itself, into thoughts by the medium of language (outer-language); at intellect level, we contemplate and rationalize, therefore, we create (need) only inner-dialogue. At this stage we don't talk loudly but speak in silence, which is known as inner-dialogue (inner-loud sound). Thereafter the state of Janna (wisdom) where inner-dialogue too vanishes and there remain only the vibrations of silence. So you observe, the outer sounds (outer dialogues) are the creation of the inner sounds (inner dialogue) and these too merge in the silence of wisdom, where the thoughts subsume in vibrations of silence (subtle-sound).
    There is no material or subtle difference between their form and composition. Both are identical. If we go deeper and deeper, crossing the layers of atmosphere (mind), universe (intellect) and finally reach the fathomless depth of the space (wisdom) there is complete stillness. But the scientific mind knows there is a small mass, moving in the remaining three-fourth vacuum area of the particle. In that mass is the sound of creation. Similarly in the stillness of the human cell, reverberates the finest (subtle) sound which bears no images or forms. These identical sounds found in the depths of a particle and in the images of human cell, vibrate identical subtle sounds, which are identical in nature. To the scientific 'eye' or human perception, there is no audible sound in both of them, but the future scientific wisdom eye would 'know' there is an identical sound in them both---This sound is the sound of creation!
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    As long as we are in the subjugation of mind, we can’t have permanent state of pleasure. But we can have bouts of pleasure if we keep our senses clean, unbiased and untouched. That is possible only if we observe world honestly, not influenced by the mind. Mind makes us see, smell, touch, hear, and taste only those things which it likes. We must observe the objects as they are; not as they should be. We should not allow our mind to superimpose or we would have a tinted view of the world and shall be monitored by mind which is a wile master. And we will be forced to live in a world which is not real but projected by the mind.
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    When we say that we have the ability to act freely on the knowledge (ability) acquired through the senses, we would be merely satisfying your desires: there is difference between the freedom you enjoy at home and in the outside world! We can sing, dance, yell or cry at my home, whereas I can't discharge these acts in society openly. It shows within the four walls of your house, you have freedom from society to act freely. Similarly when you think, you are intellectually free to act (think) anyway, then from whom your intellect gets freedom to act?
    Obviously from my senses, because if there is bondage, only then we seek freedom!
    We have the urge to satisfy our desire of singing, dancing, yelling or crying! That is merely satisfying our desires. It is not freedom, as there is a difference between the satisfaction of our desires and freedom. Satisfaction of our desires is bondage to our senses whereas freedom is a spontaneous expression, coming from our hearts for any object or any individual. It comes from there and not from the confines of a bonded mind, but from a free mind, which enjoys equal mindedness, hence a state of freedom. Freedom is a state which is not achieved but it is simply there. It is singular, so it does not come from some other entity. If there is a second entity, it is bond by some other agency, so we seek freedom from that. As our consciousness unshackles the bonds (influences) of body - senses - intellect combine, wisdom reveals in us the freedom that is already there.
    One attains the state of elevation or freedom from negative nature by putting restraints on oneself. Though it sounds contrary as restraints and freedom are two different qualities! As Nature is bound by unrelenting laws, human being too is controlled, by both outside and inside restraints. Ironically, but it is a fact that these restraints are put only on the good elements of the society. Only good suffers “through the ordeals, trials, tests and problems, whereas the wicked goes scot-free. As for a bad man, there are no restraints for he believes in none and has no respect for any kind of norms. He believes only in his selfish freedom at the cost of the society, that's why society outcasts him as an outlaw and bound him in the four walls of a prison.
    There are two kinds of restraints: positive and negative, productive and non-productive. The first group of positive kind comprises of the laws of Nature, ethics of society, moral values, which all-together make a man-a noble-one, the epitome^ of human-values. Living according to the norms of Nature, society and conscience is a system - a process, that opens the springs of love in human heart, which is the secret of human liberation - human elevation. This system does not confine us within the bounds of the mind that multiplies our involvement with the sensual escapades, but weeds out all the irrelevant (negative) material out of it.
    The second group of negative restraints is imposed by Nature and society to clean out the unwanted material and keep the law breakers in prison;Thus the first group of restraints brings out nobility in human race, whereas the second leads to bondage
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    Little-Self,

    Ancient Indian thought is some of the finest thought available to humans, however, you are going the wrong way about introducing the readers of this blog to such thought. Your long-winded posts are coming off as something akin to the sophistic speeches of Protagoras. I would like to engage in dialogue, but I recommend you engage in some simple questions a la Socrates. As is, I'd be better off reading the Ancient texts then reading your posts. Please, keep it slim or even ask some questions.

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