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    This will have to be my last post on the Litnet forums, as I keep getting logged out. Must be something to do with the new MacBook Pro that I bought to replace my old MacBook Pro Retina, that crashed. I have enjoyed being here and send my best regards to everyone.

    Thank you and goodbye!

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    I hope not.
    I sent Scheherazade a PM on this.
    I hope you are still reading us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamwoven View Post
    This will have to be my last post on the Litnet forums, as I keep getting logged out. Must be something to do with the new MacBook Pro that I bought to replace my old MacBook Pro Retina, that crashed. I have enjoyed being here and send my best regards to everyone.

    Thank you and goodbye!
    Hi, Dreamwoven,

    Did you try ticking the "Remember Me" option as you login? This often resolves the timing out problems.
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    Yes, I did that, and today, Tuesday, I am still logged in. I will continue my posts on Ian Carter's work.

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    I am glad that seems to be working and you are still posting. Please don't hesitate to PM me if the problem persists in future.
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    Will do!

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    Ian Carter's book was written using the library of Kings College, Aberdeen. Most people moved away once they managed to find a job at a time of scarce employment during the Thatcher years. Alan Davis moved to a job in Sydney, Australia, on the strength of his books on the the new perspective, Symbolic Interaction, where he ended up with Stuart Rees, Head of Sociology at Sydney. Alan died of a heart attack in post at Sydney in the early 1990s. I got a job in Adelaide sociology, from 1965 to 1969, so without knowing it, we overlapped for a brief time.

    But before that I spent a year in Minnesota starting a Ph.D. All of this can be read on my blog "My Symbolic Interaction": https://socialconstr.wordpress.com. See also https://socialconstr.wordpress.com/2...-appreciation/

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    My year at Minnesota was almost farcical. I joined the only course open to anyone wanting to do a degree in symbolic interaction, one of a number of introductory courses, including much on quantitative measures. I had investigated the department by reading up on its staff, many of whom were well-known interactionists, so I was confident there would be more courses in the second year.

    But there were no more courses on the perspectives, so I left, saying that I was disappointed as I had come to Minnesota to do a doctoral degree in Symbolic Interaction. I left at the end of my one year. I was quite simply not interested in doing a doctorate in quantitative methods, and made his clear.

    See https://socialconstr.wordpress.com/2...a-1971-1972-2/.

    I had always believed that one day symbolic interaction would become a major perspective, and the first issue of the journal was published in 1977. This fits with the changes at Minnesota made under the new chairman of Sociology John Clark, in 1972/3.

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    I had bought a book edited by Raphael Samuel. It was in the History Workshop series:

    Raphael Samuel: Peoples History and Socialist Theory (1981). I was very saddened to learn this remarkable man died off cancer at the age of 62. A tremendous loss. But he lives on in the form of the History Workshop Journal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_Workshop_Journal.

    See also http://www.history.ac.uk/makinghisto...icles/HWJ.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamwoven View Post
    My year at Minnesota was almost farcical. I joined the only course open to anyone wanting to do a degree in symbolic interaction, one of a number of introductory courses, including much on quantitative measures. I had investigated the department by reading up on its staff, many of whom were well-known interactionists, so I was confident there would be more courses in the second year.

    But there were no more courses on the perspectives, so I left, saying that I was disappointed as I had come to Minnesota to do a doctoral degree in Symbolic Interaction. I left at the end of my one year. I was quite simply not interested in doing a doctorate in quantitative methods, and made his clear.

    See https://socialconstr.wordpress.com/2...a-1971-1972-2/.

    I had always believed that one day symbolic interaction would become a major perspective, and the first issue of the journal was published in 1977. This fits with the changes at Minnesota made under the new chairman of Sociology John Clark, in 1972/3.
    Unfortunately quantitative methods were largely applied in the so called Human Sciences in the 20 C as I had ocasion to learn. I don´t know if they still are applied.
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    Ian Carter ends his discussion in Farm Life in Northeast Scotland 1840 to 1914 with the following comment:

    “Rural sociologists must assert, as radical Liberals did a century ago, that the big questions about rural Britain have to do with political economy, with the social relations of men [and women] in production. This means choosing the groups whose interests we wish to support.
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    Type to enter text We must stop thinking of our subject as a purely technical enterprise, blindly pursuing ends that are defined by others for their own purpose ends that are none of our business. It is time that British rural sociology recognised something that has become a truism in development studies, that in social life there are no such things as technical solutions, there are only political solutions.” (p.184)

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    I knew a Pole when I was at Aberystwyth, Teodor Shanin - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teodor_Shanin, who had written a doctoral thesis on the Russian peasantry, he said if I learn the Russian language I could read his thesis. So I spent a year at Aberystwyth studying Russian, but the moved to Aberdeen and became interested in symbolic interactionism, so the whole project with Teodor was forgotten.

    Peasant Studies became Teodor's specialism. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasant#Peasant_Studies - was a subject that I would have done if I had learned Russian, but it was a difficult language to learn, so I abandoned it before leaving Wales.

    https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...cademicexperts

    Ian Carter became the expert himself writing his book on Farm Life in Northeast Scotland: the poor man's country, on the survival of the peasant class in Scotland.

    Strange twists in fortune!!

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    I bought a book on the History Workshop Series edited by Raphael Samuel: People's History and Socialist Theory. If you like the work of Raphael Samuel - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Samuel - you will be glad to know that the history workshop publications are available in the form of a journal: The History Workshop Journal: https://academic.oup.com/hwj/pages/virtual_issues

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    The 1960s was a decade when I was in my 20s. It was a time of expanding horizons and maturity. The 1950's was in a sense a preparation for that, a part of my childhood. In the early 1950s I was a fan of Roy Rogers, and had a picture of him and his horse, Trigger. This was also part of the western era in Britain, Hopalong Cassidy and a host of other western heroes, who names I have long since forgotten. Early popular jazz especially Elvis Presley. Star Trek, and other film TV programmes. I remember the early TV we had at home which was enlarged by a thick magnifying mirror filled with water in front of the screen. You really needed to watch TV from directly in front of it. The 1950s shaded into the 1960s when I went to university at Leicester and in the second half of that decade the explosion of pop music, with the Beatles and Rolling Stones, Dylan, and a host of other stars.

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    The 1960s and early 1970s was an era dominated by critical social problems, especially the National Deviancy Conference: https://kenplummer.com/2013/02/08/in...cy-conference/ held at York where I had to hire a car to get to from London. I went to two sessions.

    I have several books on this, including the one by Stan Cohen Folk Devils and Moral Panics: the creation of the mods and rockers. I also have the volumes of Jock Young's trilogy and several other pieces.

    "In July 1968 a few young sociologists met to discuss their disillusionment with criminology and the orthodoxies of sociological approaches to it. Subsequently, termly conferences were organised at the University of York between September 1998 and 1973 attracting some 1,300 people.( A list of all the papers at the first twelve conferences can be found in Ian Taylor and Laurie Taylor’s Politics and Deviance (1973). These were the conferences of young radicals: youthful, exhuberant, fun loving and intellectually alive. (One critic- Sir Leon Radzinowicz, Director of the Cambridge Institute of Criminology -called them ‘naughty schoolboys’).Everything was under challenge. A radical deconstruction was in the air: this was the intellectual moment which claimed the need for decriminalization (Schur), decarceration (Goffman, Barton), deprofessionalization (Illich), de-labelling (Becker), decatgeorisation…… It was the time to celebrate ‘Outsiders’( Becker), ‘Crimes without victims’ (Schur) and Becoming Deviant (Matza). It was the moment of the anti-psychiatry movement of Laing, Szasz and Scheff." From the Ken Plummer website (link above).

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