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    Bob Dylan Wins An Award

    And some award - not less than the 2016 Nobel Prize for Literature!

    I'm not sure about this, not least because so much of his writing existed in lyric form, rather than even entire short stories, but also that shouldn't he be up for a Hall Of Fame Grammy Award instead? Or is that reserved for rock'n'roll?

    But anyway, controversial congratulations Mr Zimmerman

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    I am glad he won.

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    I won the Nobel Praaaaaaaaaaaaaze.
    That just shows you what happens to a fellow who traaaaaaaaaaaze.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan
    The Pulitzer Prize jury in 2008 awarded him a special citation for "his profound impact on popular music and American culture, marked by lyrical compositions of extraordinary poetic power."
    Most worthy in my humble opinion. I remember having discussions in a HS English class eons ago on his lyrics.

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    Bob Dylan is a cultural icon, his songs and lyrics are universal, he is a voice of many generations.

    But as there were also consecrated fiction writers in the running I wonder if the academy itself isn´t getting tired of fiction!

    Good for Bob Dylan, bad for fiction!
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    Fiction is just a bunch of laaaaaaaaaaaaze.
    Wonder where I'll put my Nobel Praaaaaaaaaaaze.

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    I was flabbergasted by the decision - I thought I'd misheard it at first. Bob Dylan? Really?

    When you consider that the hotly tipped nominees were Ngugi wa Thiong’o, Haruki Murakami and Philip Roth - all writers of great merit and artistry - it seems rather perverse that the prize should go to someone who is first and foremost a musician.

    In an era where reading as a pastime is in decline around the globe, giving the Nobel to an ageing rockstar instead of a serious novelist or poet seems a poor choice.

    Sure, some of his songs are quite good - but strip away the music, look at them purely as poetry, and hold them up to some of the greats. Do they really compare? Really? Or is that just nostalgia talking?
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    "Literature" is not limited to "fiction". Poetry, plays/theater, essays, criticism... and yes, lyrics/librettos are forms of literature. The announcement of Dylan's award stated, 'The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 was awarded to Bob Dylan "for having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition".' This seems a legitimate argument to me. Dylan is one of the few song-writers whose lyrics can and do stand on their own... and I say this as one who has argued that most song lyrics... even many within the realm of Classical Music... do not stand on their own as fine poetry. I understand Lokasenna's argument that there are many "pure" poets and novelists and short-story writers who were passed over in favor of Dylan. But there are many truly great writers who were ignored or passed over (James Joyce, Leo Tolstoy, Anton Chekhov, Marcel Proust, Henrik Ibsen, Henry James, Italo Calvino, J.L. Borges, etc...). Of course the prize "for Literature" is often awarded equally based upon non-literary considerations... socio-political and cultural issues. While Derek Walcott was not undeserving of recognition, he was clearly and admittedly selected for the award in 1992... the 500th anniversary of Columbus' "discovery" of the Americas... as a representative of the Americas (excluding North America which had already been recognized a good deal) who was not of Spanish heritage. Toni Morrison was selected for both her merits as a writer and as a representative of African American culture. Obviously, the Nobel Committee makes some attempt to recognize writers from an array of cultural backgrounds as well as writers working across a vast spectrum of what might be termed "literature". Personally, I'd like to see the Nobel Prize widen its scope of cultural recognitions further and include awards for Music, Film, and the Visual Arts among other areas.
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    Now, some are dumb and some are waaaaaaaaaaaaze,
    But I'm the one with the Nobel Praaaaaaaaaaaaze!

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    I was surprised at first and for a second I thought to myself 'are they giving out Nobels for music now?' but no for literature.

    I do think that many lyrics out there today are so much crap that this is positive and he is a brilliant artist. The writers on the 'short list' are brilliant too though so a part of me is a bit perplexed.

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    Tupac, Biggie and Kanye are all worthy of at least a Pulitzer. Many literary greats found their ways to senate and parliamentary seats once they were established icons. We can only hope these contemporary gentlemen of literature will impart some of their wisdom to the political process as well. Who wouldn't back Jay-Z, Bruce Springsteen or Half A Buck for a cabinet post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystyrMystyry View Post
    And some award - not less than the 2016 Nobel Prize for Literature!

    I'm not sure about this, not least because so much of his writing existed in lyric form, rather than even entire short stories, but also that shouldn't he be up for a Hall Of Fame Grammy Award instead? Or is that reserved for rock'n'roll?

    But anyway, controversial congratulations Mr Zimmerman
    It says more about the Nobel Prize Committee than the pop singer.
    Last edited by Emil Miller; 10-22-2016 at 09:13 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emil Miller View Post
    It says more about the Nobel Prize Committee than the pop singer.
    That's true.

    Although I don't mind seeing Bob Dylan win a prize, I don't think winning the prize is going to increase his brand's market share. I really don't care who wins the Nobel Prizes. I am not going to listen to Bob Dylan more so now than before and I haven't listened to any of his songs in years.

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    It seems that Bob Dylan himself is very reticent of the Nobel. He is said to have taken the mention of the award out of his site. The fact is that there is no mention whatever on it:
    http://bobdylan.com/
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