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    Looking at us, that we made it is really shocking. We all know that many societies were wiped out courtesy of another. One reason we made it is that everyone was not connected yet. The world was full of little feudal fiefdoms disconnected from each other. Villages. Tyrants with the disposition to wipe out the world had not the means. But they could play hell with their neighbors.

    Archimedes could figure out the volume of a sphere, but man did not yet know what to do with his feces. Pooping into a hole in your floor into a rivlet running beneath was the ancient equivalent of indoor plumbing

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    At least they had a nice view of the river.

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    Not too nice for the folks downstream where the water slowed and turds clogged on bushes and fouled embankments. They are still doing that and worse in India and other places. Public squatting is a tradition. I once figured out what the pile of untreated human waste from a single day globally would look like gathered in one place. Make um big heap.

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    I read or saw somewhere that a famous cosmologist said the entire universe might be up to 1023 times more extensive than what we know of.

    00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. Well, up to 99 sectillion times larger. I would call that a fairly extensive place.

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    As long as it's not infinitely large we have hope to get from one end to the other.

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    Its size suggests its potential diversity.

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    This diversity is quite large. Given enough data it might not be possible to have a relativistic and deterministic gravitation theory. That would be something worth trying to show. Indeterminism would not only be at the quantum level but at the gravitation level as well.

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    Now for a tough question: Is infinite diversity possible in a finite universe?

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    I would guess not, but I don't know. Assuming the finite number of things are isolated from each other so no infinitesimal distances either.

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    Let's cut right to the chase. Can a finite universe be infinite? That is one thing we are interested in knowing. We can construct finite universes in our minds which have some aspects of infinity. We know that a coastline has some aspects of infinity, therefore we call coastlines infinitely long in fractal geometry. But once the surfaces are too small to reflect a photon the mathematics keeps right on going like there is somewhere to go. This may be wishful thinking.

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    Infinite diversity must be called uniformity!

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    Uniformly diverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YesNo View Post
    Uniformly diverse.
    Correct...it swallows its own tail.

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    Omnivorously diverse.

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    Paradoxes may merely be vertices on the boundary of the artificial reality in which we find ourselves embedded. Around the edges of our "universe," and only there, might traces of the imperfect and fictional nature of our simulated reality become evident to a few skeptical outcasts among us. It is not inconceivable for someone in the future to prove that our reality--our universe--is artificial. What does that mean? It means a construct. Certainly there are those who will argue that no construct can ever be complex enough to represent parts of reality we already know, such as consciousness, for instance. Their doubt comes no closer to constituting a proof than my lack of doubt does. What the above also means is that we would have to accept that it is we who are the artificially intelligent life form. If we were created instead of occurring entirely randomly, then we are artifice, and not our own.

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    If we were created we could be called artificial from the perspective of the creator.

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