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    Deep Love of God and Deep Love From God Require Faith and Virtuous Deeds.

    Peace be on you.

    Faith is like tree and good deeds are like green branches, flowers and fruits. In Holy Quran virtuous deeds are mentioned as the vital condition for faith. Virtuous deeds are the deeds which are not done for any dissension, oppression, self-liking, pretension, arrogance and destroying others’ rights.



    These days, there are Muslim groups who claim strong faith but they are killing their own people and others ruthlessly. The world abhors their sub-human conduct.



    History tells that once Muslim government was unable to defend city against Romans, they decided to leave the area. Their Christian and Jews citizens cried and prayed for stay because of their kind treatment and good governance….Those were Muslims of faith and virtuous deeds.



    Faith and good deeds attracts attention of the people. This true faith is developed when link is made with Prophet of the time. Otherwise hearts remained split.



    Ahmadiyya Muslim Khalifah has asked his Community to practice high morals along with faith. They should demonstrate beauty of true Islam by exercising pure deeds in streets, in cities and in their countries of residence. They should be benevolent to all humanity. They must avoid all kinds of discords, disputes, back-bitings, disrespectful-ness to others, and merciless-ness.


    Allah stated in Holy Quran:

    "Those who believe and do good deeds , Gracious God will make ‘Wud’ for them." (ch19:v97)



    The word ‘Wud’ is used in the verse. It is not ordinary love, it is used for very strong love, which is real, which cannot be end, which is strong as if something is dug in earth. This is the love which has gone deep in heart.



    Thus, the verse has the meanings That Allah, will pierce His love in the hearts of believers who do good deeds -- Allah will have strong love for such people -- Allah will put deep love for humanity in the hearts of believers who do good deeds -- Allah will place deep love in the hearts of people of the world for the believers who do good deeds.



    Ahmadiyya Muslim Promised Messiah Mahdi said: " If you want that God the Exalted value you, then it is essential for it that you should become virtuous, so that you are considered valuable near God the Exalted. Those who are afraid of God and abide by His directives, He places distinction them and others. The secret for human to get blessings is that he should continue to stay away from sins. Such a person, wherever, he lives he is worthwhile because he spread out virtue, he behaves good with poor, he is merciful to neighbors, he does not do mischief, he does not file false lawsuits, he does not give false testimonies. But he make the heart pure and is engaged towards God. He is called as Friend of God."

    Reference: Based on Friday sermon of Ahmadiyya Muslim Khalifah.
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    interesting title and thread Yalash.
    it makes you think you wished people had deep love for each other as much as they do towards their god.because I believe they don't.
    there is a lot of love as far as god is concerned but nothing towards fellow humans. somehow religion fail to pass on the message.
    incredulous but true.
    it may never try
    but when it does it sigh
    it is just that
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    it fly

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    Quote Originally Posted by YALASH View Post
    PThus, the verse has the meanings That Allah, will pierce His love in the hearts of believers who do good deeds -- Allah will have strong love for such people -- Allah will put deep love for humanity in the hearts of believers who do good deeds -- Allah will place deep love in the hearts of people of the world for the believers who do good deeds.
    I think it works that way as well. People make mistakes whether religious or not.

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    Who needs a prophet or saviour to perform good deeds? These fictions of gods and prophets and saviours seem to be what people still want to buy into. The Bible and the Koran are not holy, they are just called that. They contain enough bad advice and bad example to drive any reasonable person off laughing and scoffing.

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    Peace be on you.
    You have all the rights what you think best for you.
    Every field has its guiding people, e.g. Newton showed certain paths for a certain discipline.

    Prophets are the people who come for spiritual and moral discipline; they live pure live, they serve humanity. God chooses them for the trust of His message's spread. They tell people, by way of practice how to pay rights of God and rights of people with right faith and good deeds which attract blessings of God.

    As the time goes away from Prophet, people get corrupted and and start doing things which original religion do not teach.

    Judging nascent-form-of-faith by observing latter-corruption does not add up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YALASH View Post
    Peace be on you.
    You have all the rights what you think best for you.
    Every field has its guiding people, e.g. Newton showed certain paths for a certain discipline.

    Prophets are the people who come for spiritual and moral discipline; they live pure live, they serve humanity. God chooses them for the trust of His message's spread. They tell people, by way of practice how to pay rights of God and rights of people with right faith and good deeds which attract blessings of God.

    As the time goes away from Prophet, people get corrupted and and start doing things which original religion do not teach.

    Judging nascent-form-of-faith by observing latter-corruption does not add up.
    I agree with these words whole heartedly. I am LDS. I have the opportunity to watch and listen to living Prophets, Seers, Revelators, and their appointed messengers this weekend in a General Conference broadcast setting; and look forward to many of their uplifting talks on the BYU cable & satellite stations.

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    I love the romantic notions of spiritualism too. I like to indulge poetically. But taking the words of people who sacrificed goats too seriously has not been a big success, and is not expected to be. All books we call holy were written by people who sacrificed goats and lambs, maybe an occasional calf. There is no reason for me to think these primitive minds had more spiritual access, even if such a realm exists.

    The gullibility of most people is what religion has going for it. As we slowly shed religion, there will be much syncretism as we drag parts of the old systems along into the future. We love to pretend this other realm exists, with no evidence whatsoever, and we will continue to pretend stubbornly, even as the axioms of the old systems are shattered under the wheels of understanding and experience. But we will pretend in fewer and fewer numbers.

    Here is the good news: Not a person on earth truly believes these religious fairytales, including yourself, the pope and George Bush.
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    What is God, a male? You keep referring to Him and His. Is God also a female, according to your views, or just a male? I suppose there are more than three choices, since for deities we would have to include the category Is Able To Procreate With Animals, as well, but some declaration from you as to the sex of God might throw some light on your beliefs for those you are preaching to, which seems to be what you would like. Right? So fire away. What sex is God? It would only be elucidating if you could refrain from the usual transcends all sex palaver, since we all know that one. I could accept that God has no sex whatsoever, or that God is all sexes at once, but in either case a new pronoun seems to be called for, if not the indefinite It. Or are you one that will insist God has no sex but also insist on calling this entity He?

    Where do you stand, for those of us in the pews, lad? Or is it lass? Or neither or all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by desiresjab View Post
    I love the romantic notions of spiritualism too. I like to indulge poetically. But taking the words of people who sacrificed goats too seriously has not been a big success, and is not expected to be. All books we call holy were written by people who sacrificed goats and lambs, maybe an occasional calf. There is no reason for me to think these primitive minds had more spiritual access, even if such a realm exists.
    Peace be on you.

    Your love for notion shows, it is built-in desire.

    In Islam, sacrifice of animals has aspects, one of them is to help needy. One example is:

    Holy Quran, Chapter 22, verse 37

    "And among the sacred Signs of Allah We have appointed for you the sacrificial camels. In them there is (much) good for you. So mention the name of Allah over them as they stand tied up in lines. And when they fall down (dead) on their sides, eat thereof and feed him who is (needy) but contented and him who supplicates. Thus have We subjected them to you, that you may be thankful."

    (small animals are slaughtered in different way)

    == Note: If you have any objection of animal slaughter, which is permitted by God, then please never drink water too, as it has numerous microscopic-animals which are destroyed by human stomach acid

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    The gullibility of most people is what religion has going for it. As we slowly shed religion, there will be much syncretism as we drag parts of the old systems along into the future.

    The real failure is the one when some people fail to realize the existence of Live God Who sends instructions. Shedding religion is like drifting into lawless jungle which has no future except more chaos. Divine instruction aim to make the world a Garden. It is selfish human who use religion for his desires of low grade and amass wealth, which he leaves behind and go empty handed.



    Quote Originally Posted by desiresjab View Post
    We love to pretend this other realm exists, with no evidence whatsoever, and we will continue to pretend stubbornly, even
    1-If other realm does not exist, the justice flops. If a pesron kills one person, he can be killed at maximum, but if he kills 100 people, still he can be killed once. To make proper justice, other realm is needed. Same goes for virtues.

    2-Every program has an end, and new program starts.

    3-Accountability is a fact, why denying Grand Day of Accountability?

    4-Once creation+directed evolution started and universe was made, why it could not see end.

    5-There are many qaurkes, leptons, electron, we have not seen but we believe they exist by way of related wisdom. It comes from holistic picture. If 7 out of 10 things, a true religion tells, come true, trust for 3 too.


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    as the axioms of the old systems are shattered under the wheels of understanding and experience. But we will pretend in fewer and fewer numbers.
    Wheels of understanding and experience need Steering, otherwise they hit the wall. 'wheels of understanding and experience' has proved in two world wars and in small wars that war is bad, yet the champions are heading for another world war. Why? Because they think they are God.


    Quote Originally Posted by desiresjab View Post
    Here is the good news: Not a person on earth truly believes these religious fairytales, including yourself, the pope and George Bush.
    Good news is that everysingle human from his bottom of heart believe, God exists and true religion exist, need of good deeds exist. They are just wrapped into layers of false denials.

    Quote Originally Posted by desiresjab View Post
    What is God, a male? You keep referring to Him and His. Is God also a female, according to your views, or just a male? I suppose there are more than three choices, since for deities we would have to include the category Is Able To Procreate With Animals, as well, but some declaration from you as to the sex of God might throw some light on your beliefs for those you are preaching to, which seems to be what you would like. Right? So fire away. What sex is God? It would only be elucidating if you could refrain from the usual transcends all sex palaver, since we all know that one. I could accept that God has no sex whatsoever, or that God is all sexes at once, but in either case a new pronoun seems to be called for, if not the indefinite It. Or are you one that will insist God has no sex but also insist on calling this entity He?

    Where do you stand, for those of us in the pews, lad? Or is it lass? Or neither or all?
    1= "God is neither He nor She. These are human terms. The concept of human gender is limited to life on this earth only. Moreover, it does not apply to other forms of life. For example, an angel cannot be called ‘he’ or ‘she’. The fact is that certain weaknesses are attributed to women in our society. They are regarded as the weaker sex. That is why, even in the most modern societies, there are campaigns for women’s liberation, implying that men are still treating women unfairly. The very existence of these movements proves the point that women are regarded as weaker than men. In light of this explanation and because of the distorted usage of the word ‘she’ by human beings, it is not proper to use the word ‘she’ for God, as it implies some sort of weakness, however erroneously. ... the word ‘he’ is not indicative of masculinity. It is just a reference to persons and no more. Hence, the only pronoun left for us to use for God is ‘He’. "
    Source: Page 42 @ https://www.alislam.org/library/book..._About_God.pdf




    2= 1= Holy Quran, chapter 42, verse 12

    "(He is) the Maker of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you pairs of your own selves, and of the cattle (also He has) made pairs. He multiplies you therein. There is nothing whatever like unto Him; and He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing."

    Source: alislam.org/quran (ahmadiyya muslims)


    Good wishes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YALASH View Post
    Good news is that everysingle human from his bottom of heart believe, God exists and true religion exist, need of good deeds exist. They are just wrapped into layers of false denials.
    Some evidence for this universality of belief comes from child psychology as summarized in Justin Barrett's Born Believers: the science of children's religious belief.

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    These holy books are from a time when people thought the world was flat. In a thousand years these books will be taken no more seriously than the Olympian pantheon is now, and for the same reason--it would seem silly to suscribe to any kind of belief at all concerning the Greek pantheon, other than that they were pure inventions of the human imagination.

    It is no different with the Bible and Koran, except they are not as high quality as what the Greeks managed to produce. The prophets ate tainted food and drank bad water. That is why they had visions. When their stomachs started growling and they felt sick, they knew the trusty visions were on their way. Thank day old goat's milk for the wisdom of the ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desiresjab View Post
    These holy books are from a time when people thought the world was flat.
    Peace be on all human.

    HOLY QURAN

    [CH55:V18] The Lord of the two Easts and the Lord of the two Wests!

    Two Easts and Two Wests means every point in relation to other point on Earth has an East and West.
    East of Eastern Hemisphere is the West of Western Hemisphere and vice versa.
    That makes a un-flat, rounded Earth. Other verse shows egg-like shape.

    More @ https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafsee...EN,E2&CR=EN,E2



    Quote Originally Posted by desiresjab View Post
    In a thousand years these books will be taken no more seriously than the Olympian pantheon is now, and for the same reason--it would seem silly to suscribe to any kind of belief at all concerning the Greek pantheon, other than that they were pure inventions of the human imagination.
    HOLY QURAN
    Allah says:
    [CH15:10]Verily, We Ourself have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We will be its Guardian.

    Note:
    'We' is used as Majesty and Power, Allah is One and has no partner.
    When Allah has promised to save it, it is saved for all times. If people's practice is weak, it does not mean Book is weak, reforming in practices continues.




    Quote Originally Posted by desiresjab View Post
    It is no different with the Bible and Koran, except they are not as high quality as what the Greeks managed to produce.
    If you, please, had read Holy Quran and detailed commentaries at alislam.org/quran you would not have said such naive words.

    Please have knowledge about
    Creation and Guided Evolution, from Quran, fully supported by scientific evidence in "Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge and Truth" by 4th Ahmadiyya Muslim Khalifah, Book section, alislam.org

    Please enhance your knowledge.



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    The prophets ate tainted food and drank bad water. That is why they had visions. When their stomachs started growling and they felt sick, they knew the trusty visions were on their way. Thank day old goat's milk for the wisdom of the ages.
    HOLY QURAN
    [CH23:V52] O ye Messengers, eat of the things that are pure, and do good works. Verily, I am well aware of what you do.
    [CH2;V173] O ye who believe! eat of the good things We have provided for you, and render thanks to Allah, if it is He Whom you worship.

    VISION OF NON-PROPHET
    " Elias Howe was the first person to mechanize the process of sewing. He too received the answer to a problem that had frustrated him for a long time through a dream. In his dream he saw himself surrounded by savages, who threatened to kill him unless he designed a sewing machine. Being unable to respond he was tied to a tree and the savages started to attack him with arrows and spears. It surprised him to see eyelets on their spearheads. On waking from this dream, he immediately realized the solution, which led him to invent the prototype of the sewing machine that was to dramatically revolutionize the sewing industry. Through his dream he understood that he should consider placing the eye of the needle in its point."

    SOURCE : THE NATURE OF REVELATION @ https://www.alislam.org/library/book...section_1.html


    Vision is built-in faculty in human so that when Pure and Pious Prophets tell them God has communicated to them through visions and revelation (revelation is the most purified dream), common people should understand easily.
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    I have read the Koran and consider it nothing special in the way of wisdom literature. Confucius is much better than the Koran or Bible.

    That anyone can still purport to believe Christian or Moslem nonsense is disheartening to reasonable people. But it hits me closer to home than your palaver, friend. I have to endure my own daughter talking relgious offal because she has been taken in by the kind of empty platitudes that you spout.

    1 is 1 and 2 is not 1. Easty is not westy, but is. Such wisdom.

    Your particular religion does not allow you to find and admire whatever positive things might exist in the texts of other religions. That would be blasphemous as hell, wouldn't it, lass?

    The fact that you follow the words of men in goatskins to the exclusion of other wisdom; the fact that you are afraid to make certain statements out of superstition; the fact that you are only able to call God Allah instead of Jehovah or Mike or Butthole In The Myths, are strong indications that on a level of advancement you are about where the American puritans were 350 years ago. They liked to ooze a lot of scripture too. They were still firing it at those in need of instruction as their hair ignited.

    God is unnecessary to goodness. God, Allah, Jehovah, Sylvester, Terry, Mike, are outmoded concepts. I am not even saying God does not exist, but that our vision of God is outmoded and ridiculous, attatched, as it is, to cumbersome texts that were the distilled wisdom of primitives in goatskins who stoned each other for "bad belief."
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    Quote Originally Posted by desiresjab View Post
    That anyone can still purport to believe Christian or Moslem nonsense is disheartening to reasonable people. But it hits me closer to home than your palaver, friend. I have to endure my own daughter talking relgious offal because she has been taken in by the kind of empty platitudes that you spout.
    You are confirming something that I suspect is true after reading Barrett's Born Believers: having children undermines atheism.

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    You are confirming something that I suspect is true after reading Barrett's Born Believers: having children undermines atheism.

    No one likes to tell their children unpleasant news. Hence, mommy didn't die or run away with a boyfriend, she went to live with Jesus. I figure it could mess a young kid up to have close relatives giving him different accounts of ultimate reality, so I never bring the subject up to my five year old grandson that I spend a lot of time with.

    I do not tell him that all the evidence points to the world being created by Satan, who is firmly in control of earthly matters, while God tries to figure out how to wrest control from the rebel angel. Lucifer also wrote the Bible and, of course, the Koran as well. This makes so much more sense, if you are going to put any credence into the myths. Lucifer wrote these texts trying to impersonate God, but slipped up multiple times because of that propensity for evil as a defining characteristic. Such as those brutal missteps with:

    Amorites
    Canaanites
    Ba-shan-ites
    Midianites
    Perizzites
    Hivites
    Jebusites
    Makkedahites
    Libnah
    Lachish
    Eglon
    Hebronites
    Debir
    Gibeonites

    Those were some of the missteps of the impersonator of Jehovah. Similar missteps are rife from the impersonator of Allah in the Koran. Christians love to warn you fearfully just how strong the devil is. Well, if they only knew...It is the devil's words they take to their hearts.

    Overthrowing a devil should be priority #1 for a decent God. But God finds it difficult to get a word in edgewise with everyone fainting over the devil's literature. The devil's own literature can never clear the devil from the world. Even God admits the soul of man is evil and corrupt. One could think it is nice of the old chap to step in and try to save us, since this being did not even create us in the first place. God concedes the devil created the world and its inhabitants. Why he would want to save the devil's creations is a mystery?

    But of course there is no evidence that God is stepping in anywhere to save us. While God moves on to more important matters, the devil's creation is merely quarantined from the rest of the spiritual universe, kept out of sight, left to destroy itself and go out of existence. C'mon, what else would God do to the devil's creation? Why attempt to save something made corrupt during its building? God only waits for this piece of offal to blink out and go away.
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