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    Are you pleased you're not famous?

    Although the money would be good, is it really worth it?

    Pros -

    money
    recognition
    travel
    a name in history
    financial security for the family
    a tangible contribution

    cons -

    recognition - can you go out?
    the limited nature of your travel (depending upon how famous you are)
    your contribution critically questioned and perhaps even rubbished
    potentially harmful effects of your children/ family having too much money

    and the manipulation of your image. This last one I was considering after noticing the Galaxy ad that was playing on the forum

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx9eDoS76LM

    Your face could endorse anything in the future - perhaps sold by the holders of your estate. Perhaps further into the future, your image could become a celebrity avatar in some porn production, or promote a political ideology you would not support. It may depend upon how unscrupulous the holders of your estate are, not to mention what an underground or criminal element might do with it.

    On the other hand I might not be bothered by what I'm not alive to see.

    Anyway - I can see the advantages of not being famous.

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    The short answer is "no."
    I think that I would hate the pressure of constantly having to attain what others expect as a certain style of writing, a constant standard, and then of course there are the deadlines to produce to.
    Take away the reduced ability to mingle in the market place and be the unobtrusive watcher of the material that is the very fabric of your writing and the answer is even more emphatic.
    As for the travel and the money, I am as you might say, lucky in being able to indulge in both due to the work that I do.

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    I think it could be interesting to be famous under a pseudonym without people knowing your real name or your face.
    So you have the money but aren't limited by recognition...

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    Hell no, I'd love to be famous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulclem View Post
    Although the money would be good, is it really worth it?

    Pros -

    money
    recognition
    travel
    a name in history
    financial security for the family
    a tangible contribution
    It's insulting to non-famous nurses and street cleaners to suggest they don't make a tangible contribution. Apart from feeding and housing the kids, when they're kids, let the family create their own financial security! Make the bleeders do a honest day's work.

    Is money really a pro? You need enough to buy food, shelter & security. But that amount of money is easily achieved by the non-famous. Ask a Buddhist monk if money is a pro.

    Is travel a pro? It can be a lot of hassle.

    I've been listening to the highly amusing Reith lectures by the famous Grayson Perry, and he ended his last one by saying (paraphrasing), "I don't care what happens to my work after I die, chuck it in a skip if you like, I won't be here to give a damn either way." Cue (more) laughter, and (another) pause to recognise true wisdom. That said, Grayson seems to enjoy his fame, maybe it helps to have an exhibitionist streak and good reasons for that fame. He said he never cared about trying to achieve fame, you suspect that if he lost his fame he'd just carry on wearing dresses, creating pots & producing tapestries in relative obscurity, and be just as happy.

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    It would be nice to be reconized for something meaningful - I suppose for a lot of people on here that means becoming a successful author. Doing book-signings, being interviewed on broadcast media, helping out at charity events - yep, I could get behind that. But being famous for eating kangaroo testicles in the outback, or dancing with Anne Widdecombe? Not for all the money in the Mint.
    "I should only believe in a God that would know how to dance. And when I saw my devil, I found him serious, thorough, profound, solemn: he was the spirit of gravity- through him all things fall. Not by wrath, but by laughter, do we slay. Come, let us slay the spirit of gravity!" - Nietzsche

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    Society today has inflated the concept of celebrity to a point at which it gives folks unrealistic expectations. When it gets to the point at which only the "Famous" are considered worthy, then ordinary people --"civilians" -- will go to extraordinary lengths to achieve fame. For a dangerous few, even notoriety is better than obscurity.

    Quote Originally Posted by loe View Post
    I think it could be interesting to be famous under a pseudonym without people knowing your real name or your face.
    So you have the money but aren't limited by recognition...
    Banksy has that market cornered.
    Last edited by AuntShecky; 10-31-2013 at 03:31 PM.

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    I wish I wasn't famous. The adulation, the groupies, the constant hassle with photographers is getting to me. One reason I like posting here is nobody knows who I really am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ecurb View Post
    I wish I wasn't famous. The adulation, the groupies, the constant hassle with photographers is getting to me. One reason I like posting here is nobody knows who I really am.
    That's why I like it too!
    Before sunlight can shine through a window, the blinds must be raised - American Proverb

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal4mac View Post
    It's insulting to non-famous nurses and street cleaners to suggest they don't make a tangible contribution. Apart from feeding and housing the kids, when they're kids, let the family create their own financial security! Make the bleeders do a honest day's work.

    Is money really a pro? You need enough to buy food, shelter & security. But that amount of money is easily achieved by the non-famous. Ask a Buddhist monk if money is a pro.

    Is travel a pro? It can be a lot of hassle.

    I've been listening to the highly amusing Reith lectures by the famous Grayson Perry, and he ended his last one by saying (paraphrasing), "I don't care what happens to my work after I die, chuck it in a skip if you like, I won't be here to give a damn either way." Cue (more) laughter, and (another) pause to recognise true wisdom. That said, Grayson seems to enjoy his fame, maybe it helps to have an exhibitionist streak and good reasons for that fame. He said he never cared about trying to achieve fame, you suspect that if he lost his fame he'd just carry on wearing dresses, creating pots & producing tapestries in relative obscurity, and be just as happy.
    It's insulting to non-famous nurses and street cleaners

    I make a habit of insulting non-famous professionals and public sector workers like myself. I did it today at the hospital... and yesterday

    perhaps recognised tangible contribution is an acceptable phrase - though the other posters didn't seem to need this spelling out.

    Is money really a pro? You need enough to buy food, shelter & security. But that amount of money is easily achieved by the non-famous. Ask a Buddhist monk if money is a pro.

    Money can be a pro - and that is from Buddhism. It's all about attitude towards it. There have been plenty of rich people who have used their money well - Carnegie, Gates, Newman - Of course there are plenty of celebrities for whom it causes their death. I did also put money in the cons section.

    For every Grayson Perry - I don't know who he is by the way - there are famous people for whom it is a curse.

    From my own point of view, it is nice to be invisible in a city. I can go anywhere and no-one knows or cares who I am. I see that very positively. Preconceptions about you don't follow you. You can talk to people normally - or not as the will takes you. Fame and celebrity is overrated in my view.
    Last edited by Paulclem; 11-01-2013 at 07:37 AM.

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    From my own point of view, it is nice to be invisible in a city. I can go anywhere and no-one knows or cares who I am. I see that very positively

    Until you get mugged and people walk past you, thinking you're just another passed out druggie or drunk....
    Before sunlight can shine through a window, the blinds must be raised - American Proverb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta40 View Post
    From my own point of view, it is nice to be invisible in a city. I can go anywhere and no-one knows or cares who I am. I see that very positively

    Until you get mugged and people walk past you, thinking you're just another passed out druggie or drunk....
    Haha. Always a possibility, but unlikely with my face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulclem View Post
    Haha. Always a possibility, but unlikely with my face.
    Lol. How could you ever be invisible with that face????
    Before sunlight can shine through a window, the blinds must be raised - American Proverb

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    I don't need to be famous. I used to think it would be fun, and I would like to do something that merits appreciation, but I for sure don't have that aforementioned exhibitionist streak.

    Having said that, of COURSE there is a small part of me that would enjoy a brief moment of shining adulation. Who knows? It could happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta40 View Post
    Lol. How could you ever be invisible with that face????
    My own face is probably as unlike Boris' face as you can get. Pale, freckly, ginger-gone-grey... with a chin beard as my wife says I have no chin without it...

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