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    Quote Originally Posted by qimissung View Post
    I meant to. Actually, the only ones on the list that I'm really interested in are the ones in the top 12. I am currently reading "Anna Karenina."
    Me too, but at the same time, the fact that I would have put a bunch of Chinese texts nobody has heard of makes these sort of polls biased to English culture, given that the only possible ones that can go up are books popular in the Anglosphere.

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    Hmm but over forty of these texts were not originally written in English. I do like the word Anglosphere. It has an atmospheric sound to it. I guess we here are orbiting in the Anglosphere. Anyway ( to be colloquial about it) I believe Desolation is to be congratulated. It is just a list after all and anyone could have voted. The Internet and life in general likes lists. People have tastes and opinions and we can all make lists. Why don't you JBI make a list of interesting Chinese literature and tell us why you would put each item on it.

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    Agreed. I think we should have a list that incorporates the best Asian literature. Or maybe even World Literature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eiseabhal View Post
    Why don't you JBI make a list of interesting Chinese literature and tell us why you would put each item on it.
    That would be a very interesting read. I've been trying to expand past the 'Anglosphere' lately and such recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qimissung View Post
    Agreed. I think we should have a list that incorporates the best Asian literature. Or maybe even World Literature.
    A Russian literature list would surely be nice!
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    > 1. The Bible

    I think this list is showing a US bias.

    > 4. The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald

    ... I rest my case.

    > 9. War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy

    Surely this should be competing with Hamlet for first position?

    > 19. Essays by Montaigne

    Surely this should be higher?

    > 38. Tess of the d’Urbervilles by Thomas Hardy

    ... and this.

    > 72. A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens

    The first Dickens at 72, and far from his best novel?

    I think this list reflects what young adults in the USA might produce, a collection of (mostly US) school books, and "trendy" nihilism. Really great authors like Hardy, Dickens and Tolstoy therefore appear much lower than in lists from people who are older, not American, and far more widely read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal4mac View Post
    I think this list is showing a US bias.

    I think this list reflects what young adults in the USA might produce, a collection of (mostly US) school books, and "trendy" nihilism. Really great authors like Hardy, Dickens and Tolstoy therefore appear much lower than in lists from people who are older, not American, and far more widely read.
    Given that you live in the United Kingdom (yes?), I'm failing to see how your suggestion that Hardy and Dickens should be higher doesn't reflect a UK bias. Pardon my further skepticism, but I doubt that had you actually voted on this list your top 10 would've been full of Asian, African, and Middle Eastern Authors reflecting how widely read you supposedly are in comparison to the American readers on this site.

    Quote Originally Posted by islandclimber View Post
    I've managed to make my way through 91 of these. Someone should do a top 100 books of the last 50 years or so. Maybe the post-war world. 1945-present. I'd be interested to see what a list of top contemporary literature appeared as on here...
    Wow, 91 out of 100 is really impressive. What are the 9 books you haven't read on the list?
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    I have a question - which version of the Bible has been voted no. 1? There are big variations between the different versions.

    The one's I've read are in bold.

    1. The Bible
    2. Hamlet by William Shakespeare
    3. The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri
    4. The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald
    5. The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky
    6. Ulysses by James Joyce
    7. Moby-Dick by Herman Melville
    8. Don Quixote by Cervantes
    9. War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy
    10. Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky
    11. Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy
    12. The Odyssey by Homer
    13. Paradise Lost by John Milton
    14. In Search of Lost Time by Marcel Proust
    15. Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov
    16. Les Fleurs du mal by Charles Baudelaire
    17. The Illiad by Homer
    18. One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia-Marquez
    19. Essays by Montaigne
    20. The Stranger by Albert Camus (known as The Outsider in UK)
    21. The Oresteia by Aeschylus
    22. Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace
    23. Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad
    24. Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy
    25. To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
    26. The Tale of Genji by Murasaki Shikibu
    27. Emma by Jane Austen
    28. Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte
    29. The Decameron by Giovanni Boccaccio
    30. Eugene Onegin by Pushkin
    31. Watership Down by Richard Adams
    32. The Sound and the Fury by William Faulkner
    33. Les Miserables by Victor Hugo
    34. Walden by Henry David Thoreau
    35. The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
    36. Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
    37. Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen
    38. Tess of the d’Urbervilles by Thomas Hardy
    39. The Trial by Franz Kafka
    40. Lord of the Rings by J.R.R Tolkien
    41. Shahnameh by Ferdowsi
    42. The Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
    43. Madame Bovary by Gustave Flaubert
    44. Fictions by J.L. Borges
    45. El Aleph by J.L. Borges
    46. A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens
    47. Tender is the Night by F. Scott Fitzgerald
    48. The Magus by John Fowles
    49. Life and Fate by Vasily Grossman
    50. Testament by R.C. Hutchinson
    51. Zorba the Greek by Nikos Kazantzakis
    52. A Song of Ice and Fire by George R.R. Martin
    53. Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche
    54. Oedipus the King by Sophocles
    55. The Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien
    56. Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut
    57. The Story of the Stone by Cao Xueqin
    58. Waiting for Godot by Samuel Beckett
    59. The Marriage of Heaven and Hell by William Blake
    60. Naked Lunch by William S. Burroughs
    61. Fifth Business by Robertson Davies
    62. Notes from Underground by Fyodor Dostoevsky
    63. Tropic of Cancer by Henry Miller
    64. No Exit by Jean-Paul Sartre
    65. Othello by William Shakespeare
    66. Gulliver’s Travels by Jonathan Swift
    67. Vanity Fair by William Thackerey
    68. Resurrection by Leo Tolstoy
    69. Voss by Patrick White
    70. Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte
    71. Manfred by Lord Byron
    72. A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens
    73. Far from the Madding Crowd by Thomas Hardy
    74. The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway
    75. Outer Dark by Cormac McCarthy
    76. Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurty
    77. 1984 by George Orwell
    78. Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand
    79. The Gospel According to Jesus Christ by Jose Saramago
    80. Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
    81. Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
    82. Tristam Shandy by Laurence Sterne
    83. The Tree of Man by Patrick White
    84. The Glass Menagerie by Tennessee Williams
    85. A Dream of Red Mansions by Cao Xueqin
    86. Meditations by Marcus Aurelius
    87. 2666 by Robert Bolano
    88. Cosmicomics by Italo Calvino
    89. If on a winter’s night a traveler by Italo Calvino
    90. The Murder of Roger Ackroyd by Agatha Christie
    91. The Arrow of Gold by Joseph Conrad
    92. The Recognitions by William Gaddis
    93. The Castle by Franz Kafka
    94. I Canti by Giacomo Leopardi
    95. Man’s Fate by André Malraux
    96. Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
    97. Dance to the Music of Time by Anthony Powell
    98. Portnoy’s Complaint by Philip Roth
    99. Confessions by Rousseau
    100. The World as Will and Representation by Arthur Schopenhauer

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    It may show some "US bias" but that's because it is mainly Americans who post here. I cannot see how the placing of a Group of North African Hebrew texts transmitted to the West via Aramaic and Greek demonstrates US bias really . I'm pretty sure that if it was Nigerians, Ghanians or Ethiopians (a country which had Christianity long before any part of Europe) who were mainly posting here then they too would place The Bible high up on the list. I find this list more interesting the more I look at it.

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    Wow, I've read only 6 from this list (except for the Bible but I was raised Christian so that doesn't really count) and there isn't even one that I enjoyed till Emma and even that I only read because it was assigned reading in my high school literature class.

    What's comforting is that almost all the books I'm planning on reading next are on this list.

    Here are the ones I have read:

    23. Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad Hated it
    27. Emma by Jane Austen Interesting though not exciting
    46. A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens
    52. A Song of Ice and Fire by George R.R. Martin Loved it, espicially the POV he uses
    72. A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens
    77. 1984 by George Orwell Best prose I've ever read

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkshadow03 View Post
    Given that you live in the United Kingdom (yes?), I'm failing to see how your suggestion that Hardy and Dickens should be higher doesn't reflect a UK bias.
    I was comparing this list to other lists, including American critics like Harold Bloom and Clifford Fadiman, not just to my own list based on the novels I've read. Can you name one major critic who would put Gatsby ahead of Dickens' major novels? I think I've read all his major novels, and can probably list ten that I prefer to Gatsby, here's four I'd recommend to Gatsby fans for starters: Oliver Twist, David Copperfield, Great Expectations, Nicholas Nickleby. Challenge: read one of these "back to back" with Gatsby, and ask yourself, honestly, which is the better experience.

    Just keeping to the other side of the pond, I can't see why Gatsby is ahead of Moby Dick or Huck Finn, two novels fit to stand near Dickens, although still obviously inferior, to me, and other top critics

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal4mac View Post
    I was comparing this list to other lists, including American critics like Harold Bloom and Clifford Fadiman, not just to my own list based on the novels I've read. Can you name one major critic who would put Gatsby ahead of Dickens' major novels? I think I've read all his major novels, and can probably list ten that I prefer to Gatsby, here's four I'd recommend to Gatsby fans for starters: Oliver Twist, David Copperfield, Great Expectations, Nicholas Nickleby. Challenge: read one of these "back to back" with Gatsby, and ask yourself, honestly, which is the better experience.
    Sure, I could see some critics ranking Bleak House, Copperfield, and Expectations higher than Gatsby, but I doubt many "top critics" (by which you really seem to mean popular ones) would rank Nicholas Nickleby or Oliver Twist or 10 of Dickens novels higher than Gatsby.

    I've read all those novels you mentioned and the only Dickens novel that made it into my top 10 was Bleak House. I rank The Great Gatsby higher than any of those works.
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    Is there a link to the previous list?
    I'm curious to see the differences.
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    1. The Bible
    2. Hamlet by William Shakespeare
    3. The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri
    4. The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald
    5. The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky
    6. Ulysses by James Joyce
    7. Moby-Dick by Herman Melville
    8. Don Quixote by Cervantes
    9. War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy

    10. Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky
    11. Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy
    12. The Odyssey by Homer
    13. Paradise Lost by John Milton
    14. In Search of Lost Time by Marcel Proust
    15. Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov
    16. Les Fleurs du mal by Charles Baudelaire
    17. The Illiad by Homer
    18. One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia-Marquez
    19. Essays by Montaigne
    20. The Stranger by Albert Camus
    21. The Oresteia by Aeschylus

    22. Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace
    23. Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad
    24. Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy
    25. To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee

    26. The Tale of Genji by Murasaki Shikibu
    27. Emma by Jane Austen
    28. Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte
    29. The Decameron by Giovanni Boccaccio
    30. Eugene Onegin by Pushkin
    31. Watership Down by Richard Adams
    32. The Sound and the Fury by William Faulkner
    33. Les Miserables by Victor Hugo
    34. Walden by Henry David Thoreau
    35. The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
    36. Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman

    37. Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen
    38. Tess of the d’Urbervilles by Thomas Hardy
    39. The Trial by Franz Kafka
    40. Lord of the Rings by J.R.R Tolkien
    41. Shahnameh by Ferdowsi
    42. The Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
    43. Madame Bovary by Gustave Flaubert
    44. Fictions by J.L. Borges
    45. El Aleph by J.L. Borges
    46. A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens

    47. Tender is the Night by F. Scott Fitzgerald
    48. The Magus by John Fowles
    49. Life and Fate by Vasily Grossman
    50. Testament by R.C. Hutchinson
    51. Zorba the Greek by Nikos Kazantzakis
    52. A Song of Ice and Fire by George R.R. Martin
    53. Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche
    54. Oedipus the King by Sophocles
    55. The Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien

    56. Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut
    57. The Story of the Stone by Cao Xueqin
    58. Waiting for Godot by Samuel Beckett
    59. The Marriage of Heaven and Hell by William Blake
    60. Naked Lunch by William S. Burroughs
    61. Fifth Business by Robertson Davies
    62. Notes from Underground by Fyodor Dostoevsky
    63. Tropic of Cancer by Henry Miller
    64. No Exit by Jean-Paul Sartre
    65. Othello by William Shakespeare
    66. Gulliver’s Travels by Jonathan Swift

    67. Vanity Fair by William Thackerey
    68. Resurrection by Leo Tolstoy
    69. Voss by Patrick White
    70. Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte
    71. Manfred by Lord Byron
    72. A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens
    73. Far from the Madding Crowd by Thomas Hardy
    74. The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway
    75. Outer Dark by Cormac McCarthy
    76. Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurty
    77. 1984 by George Orwell
    78. Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand
    79. The Gospel According to Jesus Christ by Jose Saramago
    80. Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
    81. Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
    82. Tristam Shandy by Laurence Sterne

    83. The Tree of Man by Patrick White
    84. The Glass Menagerie by Tennessee Williams
    85. A Dream of Red Mansions by Cao Xueqin
    86. Meditations by Marcus Aurelius

    87. 2666 by Robert Bolano
    88. Cosmicomics by Italo Calvino
    89. If on a winter’s night a traveler by Italo Calvino
    90. The Murder of Roger Ackroyd by Agatha Christie
    91. The Arrow of Gold by Joseph Conrad
    92. The Recognitions by William Gaddis
    93. The Castle by Franz Kafka
    94. I Canti by Giacomo Leopardi
    95. Man’s Fate by André Malraux
    96. Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller

    97. Dance to the Music of Time by Anthony Powell
    98. Portnoy’s Complaint by Philip Roth
    99. Confessions by Rousseau

    100. The World as Will and Representation by Arthur Schopenhauer

    A decent list of books... a great many that I have certainly read and would have no problem deeming as "great" reading. Perhaps I'll offer a few alternatives later... but I'm on my way to my studio. Got to get to work on my latest painting.
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    Yes, a decent list, from what I've read.

    1. The Bible
    2. Hamlet by William Shakespeare
    3. The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri
    4. The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald
    5. The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky
    6. Ulysses by James Joyce
    7. Moby-Dick by Herman Melville
    8. Don Quixote by Cervantes
    9. War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy
    10. Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky

    11. Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy
    12. The Odyssey by Homer
    13. Paradise Lost by John Milton
    14. In Search of Lost Time by Marcel Proust
    15. Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov
    16. Les Fleurs du mal by Charles Baudelaire
    17. The Illiad by Homer
    18. One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia-Marquez
    19. Essays by Montaigne
    20. The Stranger by Albert Camus
    21. The Oresteia by Aeschylus

    22. Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace
    23. Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad
    24. Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy

    25. To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
    26. The Tale of Genji by Murasaki Shikibu
    27. Emma by Jane Austen
    28. Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte
    29. The Decameron by Giovanni Boccaccio

    30. Eugene Onegin by Pushkin
    31. Watership Down by Richard Adams
    32. The Sound and the Fury by William Faulkner
    33. Les Miserables by Victor Hugo
    34. Walden by Henry David Thoreau
    35. The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain

    36. Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
    37. Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen
    38. Tess of the d’Urbervilles by Thomas Hardy
    39. The Trial by Franz Kafka

    40. Lord of the Rings by J.R.R Tolkien
    41. Shahnameh by Ferdowsi
    42. The Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
    43. Madame Bovary by Gustave Flaubert
    44. Fictions by J.L. Borges
    45. El Aleph by J.L. Borges
    46. A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens

    47. Tender is the Night by F. Scott Fitzgerald
    48. The Magus by John Fowles
    49. Life and Fate by Vasily Grossman
    50. Testament by R.C. Hutchinson
    51. Zorba the Greek by Nikos Kazantzakis
    52. A Song of Ice and Fire by George R.R. Martin
    53. Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche
    54. Oedipus the King by Sophocles

    55. The Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien
    56. Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut
    57. The Story of the Stone by Cao Xueqin
    58. Waiting for Godot by Samuel Beckett
    59. The Marriage of Heaven and Hell by William Blake
    60. Naked Lunch by William S. Burroughs
    61. Fifth Business by Robertson Davies
    62. Notes from Underground by Fyodor Dostoevsky
    63. Tropic of Cancer by Henry Miller
    64. No Exit by Jean-Paul Sartre
    65. Othello by William Shakespeare
    66. Gulliver’s Travels by Jonathan Swift

    67. Vanity Fair by William Thackerey
    68. Resurrection by Leo Tolstoy
    69. Voss by Patrick White
    70. Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte
    71. Manfred by Lord Byron
    72. A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens
    73. Far from the Madding Crowd by Thomas Hardy
    74. The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway
    75. Outer Dark by Cormac McCarthy

    76. Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurty
    77. 1984 by George Orwell
    78. Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand
    79. The Gospel According to Jesus Christ by Jose Saramago
    80. Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
    81. Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
    82. Tristam Shandy by Laurence Sterne
    83. The Tree of Man by Patrick White
    84. The Glass Menagerie by Tennessee Williams
    85. A Dream of Red Mansions by Cao Xueqin
    86. Meditations by Marcus Aurelius
    87. 2666 by Robert Bolano

    88. Cosmicomics by Italo Calvino
    89. If on a winter’s night a traveler by Italo Calvino
    90. The Murder of Roger Ackroyd by Agatha Christie
    91. The Arrow of Gold by Joseph Conrad

    92. The Recognitions by William Gaddis
    93. The Castle by Franz Kafka
    94. I Canti by Giacomo Leopardi
    95. Man’s Fate by André Malraux

    96. Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
    97. Dance to the Music of Time by Anthony Powell
    98. Portnoy’s Complaint by Philip Roth
    99. Confessions by Rousseau
    100. The World as Will and Representation by Arthur Schopenhauer


    61/100

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