Pornography

[MorpheusSandman]

I think that perhaps I have a greater understanding than you have in this area.

That's what you call a solid argument right there, I tell you what.

[ftil]

Originally posted by stlukesguild

Perhaps... but it is no less absurd to suggest that those who are for pornography... or even just against censorship... are inherently against women and in support of abuse, addiction, and manipulation.

Well, people may not be aware what is really going on with porn actresses. People will not know until they do research. Are they support abuse, addiction and manipulation? Absolutely. Being not aware doesn’t change anything. After all, we are talking about adults who watch porn not children. So, it is no absurd to expect from adults to think, ask questions, and research. I understand that teenagers and young adults don’t ask those questions but I don’t see any excuse for older adults.

G. Bruno, renaissance magician and occultist, knew that young adults would be easy subject to being bound.

The degrees of things that can be bound. Children are less bound by their natural feelings, because their nature is absorbed in growth and is disturbed by great changes, and all their nutrition is given over to growth and the structuring of the individual. But they clearly begin to be open to being bound in the fourteenth year, for even though at that age they are still involved in growth, their rate of growth is not as fast and as great as when they were children. And in the stable period of adulthood, men have a greater strength in their semen and, as a result, seem to be more subject to being bound. Furthermore, adolescents and young men seem to be more sexually excited for the reason that they are on fire for a long time because of the novelty of this pleasure; because the passages through which the semen passes are narrower, the wetness gushes forth with a more delightful pleasure. And as a result of the sexual itch which arises from this pressure, they are more delighted and liberated. But bonds are more difficult in older men, whose powers are half dead, whose organs and passages are spent, and whose semen is not abundant. Precisely the same thing is found proportionally in the other emotions which have an analogy or contrast or dependence on the passion of love.
G. Bruno, Cause, Principle, and Unity and Essays on Magic p. 160

So, pornography is addressed to teenagers and young people. Would it affect their ability to build deep and intimate relationships? Absolutely. Would they treat their partner as a sexual object? Absolutely. Would they expect the same performance from their partners as porn actresses’ or actors’? Absolutely. Would watching pornography lead to sexual dysfunction? Absolutely.

So, what will happen to those young people when they reach dreadful 40’s? Not a nice prospect and we shouldn’t be afraid it addresses it.

[JBI]

Originally posted by stlukesguild




Well, people may not be aware what is really going on with porn actresses. People will not know until they do research. Are they support abuse, addiction and manipulation? Absolutely. Being not aware doesn’t change anything. After all, we are talking about adults who watch porn not children. So, it is no absurd to expect from adults to think, ask questions, and research. I understand that teenagers and young adults don’t ask those questions but I don’t see any excuse for older adults.

G. Bruno, renaissance magician and occultist, knew that young adults would be easy subject to being bound.




So, pornography is addressed to teenagers and young people. Would it affect their ability to build deep and intimate relationships? Absolutely. Would they treat their partner as a sexual object? Absolutely. Would they expect the same performance from their partners as porn actresses’ or actors’? Absolutely. Would watching pornography lead to sexual dysfunction? Absolutely.

So, what will happen to those young people when they reach dreadful 40’s? Not a nice prospect and we shouldn’t be afraid it addresses it.

There are drugs and abuse in every level of the workforce, not just porn.

The myth that it is women who are a huge victim is not only a dated assumption, it is also insulting to men.

Have you ever considered the role of the underpaid male porn actor playing beside the woman, or in homosexual work? Have you never considered he is paid less, works just as hard (if not harder) and is victim of the same abuses.

Likewise, have you never considered some women in the field actually like their jobs? and perhaps there are people on the top level who are women? Or maybe they are people who make a good career out of it, and it provides them with a unionized sort of community that gets them out of the cycle of abuse found in occupations like stripping, or even waitressing in low-end joints?

Or perhaps it is merely drug addicted girls who do porn, and need money to support their habit. Well, from what I understand there is a massive lineup of actors of both genders looking to get into the industry. As an agent looking to cash in, anybody would consider the addict as a reluctant choice - people are looking for posterity in the client.


That being said, the largest pornographic producer in the world is not the United States, nor is it Europe. It is Japan, whose industry functions on completely different lines. This sexual object stuff is just dated 1980s propaganda.

The men in the industry are just as privy to the abuse as the women. The women watching porn are just as objectifying as the men (in Asia here, I would say both men and women watch pornography regularly, with the largest consumer per capita in terms of dollars being Korea).

[MorpheusSandman]

All very true, JBI. Most of the negative attitudes towards pornography are dated, and some have never been true to begin with, but merely the product of Puritanical fears being presented as true. One could say much the same for the attitudes towards marijuana. Never underestimate the power of fear and the ensuing negative propaganda.

[blazeofglory]

In fact it is fear alone and nothing else and it does not harm more than the fear of it does

[cacian]

that's what you call a solid argument right there, i tell you what.

lol..

[ftil]

The myth that it is women who are a huge victim is not only a dated assumption, it is also insulting to men.

There is such a vast body of research about violence and abuse of women. Well, it is convenient to deny it.

Have you ever considered the role of the underpaid male porn actor playing beside the woman, or in homosexual work? Have you never considered he is paid less, works just as hard (if not harder) and is victim of the same abuses.

I am a female and I talk about research I have done about women. Why don’t you bring research about men…not your beliefs.

Likewise, have you never considered some women in the field actually like their jobs? and perhaps there are people on the top level who are women? Or maybe they are people who make a good career out of it, and it provides them with a unionized sort of community that gets them out of the cycle of abuse found in occupations like stripping, or even waitressing in low-end joints?

And you know that there are women who enjoy it?
Why don’t you do research what is going in porn business. You may be surprised how high the prevalence of contracting sexual diseases is. Perhaps, you don’t have any clue how sexual diseases damages reproductive organs. It is definitely a reason to enjoy their carrier. Or perhaps, you think that women and men who are in porn business enjoy sex in the front of the camera. What is a smooth sexual intercourse is a result of editing. You can’t enjoy sex with hundreds of stop and cut. Have you ever considered why so many porn actresses use alcohol and drugs and many OD or committed suicide?


But my previous post was not about porn actresses at all. Inconvenient truth, eh?

[cacian]

There is such a vast body of research about violence and abuse of women. Well, it is convenient to deny it.



I am a female and I talk about research I have done about women. Why don’t you bring research about men…not your beliefs.



And you know that there are women who enjoy it?
Why don’t you do research what is going in porn business. You may be surprised how high the prevalence of contracting sexual diseases is. Perhaps, you don’t have any clue how sexual diseases damages reproductive organs. It is definitely a reason to enjoy their carrier. Or perhaps, you think that women and men who are in porn business enjoy sex in the front of the camera. What is a smooth sexual intercourse is a result of editing. You can’t enjoy sex with hundreds of stop and cut. Have you ever considered why so many porn actresses use alcohol and drugs and many OD or committed suicide?


But my previous post was not about porn actresses at all. Inconvenient truth, eh?

Interesting you mention actresses. Acting and pornography?? I am not sure acting/actresses is the right word but there you go.

[ftil]

Interesting you mention actresses. Acting and pornography?? I am not sure acting/actresses is the right word but there you go.

How would you call them, then?

BTW, is it only what you have picked up from my two last posts? Is it safer not to touch the most important issues I have addressed?

[tonywalt]

Like said before- most pornography is amatueur in terms of volume.

[cacian]

How would you call them, then?

Hi ftil when I first laid my eyes on pornography I could not figure out how one could to the point of doing what they were doing in front of cameras and going public in order to be viewed by thousands of people. One of the things that always stood out in my mind is this:
I hoped that no family of any of the pornographers involved ever get their hands on their work/dvds. I felt depressed thinking about it.
Whilst you can control what is going in front of the cameras you cannot control who is going to lay their hands the porn material.
I think family always bothered when it came to porn.

BTW, is it only what you have picked up from my two last posts? Is it safer not to touch the most important issues I have addressed?

Yes and no. I think actressing is stretching it a bit. Pronography is acting sex. Actresses and actors are qualified and trained at drama colleges and porn is not.

[ftil]

Hi ftil when I first laid my eyes on pornography I could not figure out how one could to the point of doing what they were doing in front of cameras and going public in order to be viewed by thousands of people. One of the things that always stood out in my mind is this:
I hoped that no family of any of the pornographers involved ever get their hands on their work/dvds. I felt depressed thinking about it.
Whilst you can control what is going in front of the cameras you cannot control who is going to lay their hands the porn material.
I think family always bothered when it came to porn.


Yes and no. I think actressing is stretching it a bit. Pronography is acting sex. Actresses and actors are qualified and trained at drama colleges and porn is not.

You have missed my points. I have addressed very important issues that women involved in porn bussines are facing such as violence, abuse, contracting sexual diseases, drug and alcohol addiction, OD, or suicides. I have written about it and have posted videos and links to the articles on your thread Voyeurism in Sex.

Second, I talked about negative consequences for those who watch porn such as erectile dysfunction, difficulties to be aroused to a real partner, Desensitization, inability to build an intimate relationships to name a few. My last few posts specifically talked about young people. Please, if you don’t want to address those issues, don’t bother to respond.

[Calidore]

Please, if you don’t want to address those issues, don’t bother to respond.

It's worth mentioning here that this is a general poll/discussion thread on porn, rather than simply ftil's view on porn, and anyone is allowed to respond to anything.

[MorpheusSandman]

You have missed my points. I have addressed very important issues that women involved in porn bussines are facing such as violence, abuse, contracting sexual diseases, drug and alcohol addiction, OD, or suicides. I have written about it and have posted videos and links to the articles on your thread Voyeurism in Sex.

Second, I talked about negative consequences for those who watch porn such as erectile dysfunction, difficulties to be aroused to a real partner, Desensitization, inability to build an intimate relationships to name a few. My last few posts specifically talked about young people. Please, if you don’t want to address those issues, don’t bother to respond.

I'm sensing some selection bias. The first paragraph describes zero porn actresses I've ever talked to and the second paragraph describes zero watchers of porn I know.

[ftil]

It's worth mentioning here that this is a general poll/discussion thread on porn, rather than simply ftil's view on porn, and anyone is allowed to respond to anything.

LOL! It is not mine view about porn. You would know if you took time to read my posts.
Second, I have had a conversation with cacian. You have also had conversation with others here.
I didn't stop you to express your opinion. Anxiety. eh?

Originally posted by MorpheusSandman
I'm sensing some selection bias. The first paragraph describes zero porn actresses I've ever talked to and the second paragraph describes zero watchers of porn I know.

I am not going to convince you that there is no bias. It is up to you to do own research.
You may be surprised how many scholars and psychologists you may find who talked about this subject. I am not going to repeat myself as I wrote a few posts about this subject here and on Voyeurism in Sex thread.

Why don’t you argue with scholars and psychologists……I may have fun watching.