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    Not a 7th...just a 3rd heaven.
    Hell...yes, indeed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacian View Post
    Hi YesNo thank you for posting.
    What is a share-death experience?
    A shared-death experience is the name Raymond Moody gave to the experiences some people have when other people close to them die. Sometimes they see or talk to the person who died.

    Moody also created the term "near-death" experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volya View Post
    I do not believe in the Biblical version of Heaven and Hell, however I am a firm believer of life after death through reincarnation.

    Volya,

    I'd like to learn more about this. Why is it, if you're comfortable discussing, that you believe in the notion of reincarnation? Care to describe this belief?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandis View Post
    Ditto.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ser Nevarc View Post
    Volya,

    I'd like to learn more about this. Why is it, if you're comfortable discussing, that you believe in the notion of reincarnation? Care to describe this belief?

    Thanks
    Well my first instinct is that yes, there is an afterlife. But I find the notion of heaven/hell implausible as there is no omniscient god who can decide whether we are good or bad. So it seems to me that the most likely theory is that our souls go somewhere else (though not necessarily on our world).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cacian View Post
    You making an issue out of it is the irony itself.
    How so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volya View Post
    Well my first instinct is that yes, there is an afterlife. But I find the notion of heaven/hell implausible as there is no omniscient god who can decide whether we are good or bad. So it seems to me that the most likely theory is that our souls go somewhere else (though not necessarily on our world).
    How do you mean?
    Are you suggesting that one does not know the difference between the two?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volya View Post
    Well my first instinct is that yes, there is an afterlife. But I find the notion of heaven/hell implausible as there is no omniscient god who can decide whether we are good or bad. So it seems to me that the most likely theory is that our souls go somewhere else (though not necessarily on our world).
    This is why I like the traditional Jewish laissez-faire attitude towards the afterlife. "No our souls don't die after death? Where do they go? How should I know I haven't gotten there yet, now stop worrying about it."
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    Yes. I believe in a heaven. (Btw, the "3rd heaven" thing is because in both Hebrew and Greek the word "heaven" has much of the same flexibility that it does in English. The first heaven is the sky in which the birds and such fly, the second is what we'd call the atmosphere and the third is the abode of the Lord.)

    And just in case you weren't ready to laugh at me, I believe in a heaven where not only the soul will dwell, but both my body (raised from the dead and made imperishable) and my soul will be united as I dwell there.

    Even for those who are not Christians I find it shocking and not a little sad (in the heart-wrenching, not pathetic sense) that some assume they are merely a collection of cells. What happened to the philosopher and the "I am more than the sum of my parts?" <sigh>

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    I suspected you didn't know what "irony" meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Darnay View Post
    This is why I like the traditional Jewish laissez-faire attitude towards the afterlife. "No our souls don't die after death? Where do they go? How should I know I haven't gotten there yet, now stop worrying about it."
    I am neutral on religon, but I always that it interesting that Judaism places relatively low interest or emphasis on the afterlife, whereas that is the whole point with most major religons.

    It would seem to me that religon was spawned for a number of reasons- the answer to the afterlife question being one of the big reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by togre View Post
    Yes. I believe in a heaven. (Btw, the "3rd heaven" thing is because in both Hebrew and Greek the word "heaven" has much of the same flexibility that it does in English. The first heaven is the sky in which the birds and such fly, the second is what we'd call the atmosphere and the third is the abode of the Lord.)
    Excellent...someone else actually knows this too.
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    There are hellish and heavenly conditions here on earth. A few people live very luxurious and pampered lives, and unfortunately more people live in hellish conditions. If you believe in an afterlife, then the fact that these conditions exist on earth already - even if they are temporary - means that they could exist in the hereafter too. Scary.

    The idea of eternal heaven and eternal damnation in the Christian tradition makes no sense on a purely logical level. What crime could possibly justify eternal damnation? Then again, the ideas we have about what heaven and hell are like are not borne out in the bible either. There is no description in the bible of our modern conceptions of heaven and hell. If I am wrong I'll stand corrected.

    It dos beg the question about where such ideas came from.

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    I personally don't believe in an afterlife, simply because there is no evidence for it.

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    Which would be denial of basic science. You don't need to be a scientist to know that once one is brain dead, there cannot be any continuing thought processes, because thoughts are electrochemical charges transmitted over synapses by neurons. Once this is no longer happening, the person is no more.
    But in most afterlife-based hypotheses it's not the brain that ascends to heaven but rather the soul, and you can't disprove a soul. The concept of "soul" is inherently unrational, it is beyond the realm of the rational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonywalt View Post
    I am neutral on religon, but I always that it interesting that Judaism places relatively low interest or emphasis on the afterlife, whereas that is the whole point with most major religons.

    It would seem to me that religon was spawned for a number of reasons- the answer to the afterlife question being one of the big reasons.
    I don't think this is so. Christianity and Islam tend to place more emphasis than most religions. In most ancient religions (Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Norse, Celtic) the afterlife is very unified - basically everyone goes there. Greece introduced the idea of Hell (Tartarus) and Romans added heaven (Elysium) - but these were reserved for only a few - the vast majority just went to the underworld. Judaism is basically the same, they just never gave a strict vision of their underworld.
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