You need to update your alarmism. These pieces are all about half a century old.Originally Posted by stlukesguild
And they didn't even characterize the mainstream of composition back when they were first heard. Just like the tins-of-poop aren't characteristic of art these days either. You guys are making it sound like some fringe artists represent what every artist nowadays is doing.
Who do you think you're fooling?
Last edited by Anton Hermes; 09-21-2012 at 12:14 PM.
Have you even been to a contemporary art exhibit? Since my university is a train away from london, and I have several friends studying within the city so I can crash at their's, I often visit London to go to contemporary art exhibits and the occasional opera and play.
Last year I went to 4 major contemporary art show's, holding hundreds of works by living artists. The Frieze show was the largest and most renown. I assure you it is not fringe in the least, it is the bread and butter of the modern art world, and merely to see an oil painting was as rare and relieving as an oasis in the desert. And for ever oil painting there were four or five dozen Jesus's pissing of defecating or scatological pieces which were made only to shock, but when scatology becomes conformity how can it shock when one is utterly numb to it.
These works of "art" may not be the most popular amongst the mass, but they are the only ones which sell for high prices and furthermore they are the only ones which seem to gain respect from the art-world.
My empathy goes out to the few artists out there who have a notion of what aesthetics are, and are not fooled into the conceptual bull****, it is a though battle but as usual I am sure that posterity shall be just in it's assessment of things.
Anyone concerned about Al's claim that Half of the Tate Modern in London is dedicated to the equivalent of can of poop should go to the Tate Modern website. There, you'll be hard pressed to find art dedicated to urination and defecation anywhere in their announcements, lists of collections or exhibitions.
Really, this nonsense about scatology being universal in modern art needs to stop.
A lot of modern art is complete and utter bollocks though. All these idiots talking about how 'oh this lovely splat here represents the conflict of the mind', and other nonsense like that needs to stop. Why can we not go back to when art actually required skill and talent to make.
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fvuck the website, I visited twice in June; I assure you half of it is the equivalent of a can of poop.
You need to update your alarmism. These pieces are all about half a century old.
And they didn't even characterize the mainstream of composition back when they were first heard. Just like the tins-of-poop aren't characteristic of art these days either. You guys are making it sound like some fringe artists represent what every artist nowadays is doing.
Who do you think you're fooling?
I'm not fooling anyone, junior. Do you seriously want to get into a debate about art with me? There are plenty of artists who are continuing to work within the same realm: Damien Hirst, Tracey Emin, Lisa Yuskavage, Alexander Esguerra, Andrea Fraser, Jeff Koons, Robert Gober, On Kawara, Marina Abramović, Ilya Kabakov, Vanessa Beecroft, even Joseph Kosuth and John Baldasare all all still active and working last I heard.
Perhaps you might need a bit more than Modern and Contemporary Art 101 and a year's subscription to Art News before you can claim an in depth knowledge of Contemporary Art and the art world.
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Which I never claimed to have. But you don't need an in-depth knowledge of the art world to know that the artists castrating themselves, committing suicide, slaughtering animals, and tinning their poop are a vanishing subset of the art world. Despite the howls of protest from our resident Chicken Littles, the art world by and large isn't violent or scatological.Perhaps you might need a bit more than Modern and Contemporary Art 101 and a year's subscription to Art News before you can claim an in depth knowledge of Contemporary Art and the art world.
Last edited by Anton Hermes; 09-21-2012 at 01:06 PM.
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I'll assume since I'm the OP I can approve the topic change. I find the current conversation fascinating.
I don't think this is really that big of a problem, especially since image quality keeps getting better. Not that I'm saying an image can ever equal the real thing (although it seems like many museums I've gone to, even the Louvre, has lighting that puts really bad glare on paintings), but seeing an image of a piece of art rather than not seeing it at all is surely better than nothing, yes?
As to the current art world being inundated with shock art (which is really all the scatological and Jesus pissing stuff is--and ironic that artists who work in that medium don't get that it isn't shocking anymore), I haven't seen that . . . but I've never gone to a "real" gallery showing for a contemporary artist, either. I've gone to plenty of art fairs, though, and you never see any of that stuff there (of course, that these are usually events meant to be inviting for families with kids probably plays a big role in that). You see plenty of paintings, drawings, and glass (way too much glass, IMO). I guess these fairs don't draw in the "art community"--I mentioned going to one of these fairs and she snobbishly said she never went to art fairs, because their actually craft fairs. Well, not the ones I've been to. There're plenty of legitimate artists selling really cool stuff.
That paragraph was kind of all over the place.
I don't really get comparing Ligeti to contemporary art though. Ligeti is certainly not immediately accessible, but his music is complicated and definitely requires an expert understanding of musical theory to compose. And certain pieces, like "Lux Aeterna" and "Requiem," have even crossed over to popular culture (largely due to Kubrich). Though I don't usually voluntarily choose to listen to Ligeti.
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Make me your best "modern" art painting or sculpture. I don't care for Duchamp's found art (or Duchamp in general, though I like him as a man; mainly because I'm a huge Chess fan) or a purely blue canvas very much, but people like Duchamp and Reinhardt or Jackson Pollock were all very skilled and talented artists when it came to realism and technical skills.
I'm far from an art aficionado or expert, but the few excellent oil paintings I've ever really looked at seriously are definitely very textural. It adds a whole new dimension to the painting for sure .
Make some modern art? Challenge accepted.
I call it, 'Black Dot on Canvas'. It represents loneliness and racial segregation.
It's a masterpiece of creative thought!!!
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haha, needless to say I have see about a million variations of this at various contemporary art exhibits, some with price tags ranging into the hundreds of thousands.Make some modern art? Challenge accepted.
I call it, 'Black Dot on Canvas'. It represents loneliness and racial segregation.
It's a masterpiece of creative thought!!!
There is no doubt that seeing the actual piece will be more valuable than looking at an image of the piece. Still, in high quality images, one can see the brush strokes--I have images of Van Gogh and Monet where you can zoom in and see the individual strokes, and how the light (the light when the image was taken, that is) reflected off the texture. I have an image of money Lisa where I can zoom in to just the eye or just the hands and see all the individual cracks and imperfections from its age.
Make some modern art? Challenge accepted.
I call it, 'Black Dot on Canvas'. It represents loneliness and racial segregation.
It's a masterpiece of creative thought!!!Well played.
It's funny Volya, your attitude towards modern/abstract art seems pretty much exactly as mine was when I was in high school. I'd constantly argue how stupid a painting was if a little kid could do it (my most usual analogy at the time) and all that. No surprise, my ideas and opinions have changed quite vastly.
Not really.
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