Drugs related discussion

[Darcy88]

Meditation and exercise can get you as high as most drugs.

[Alexander III]

Meditation and exercise can get you as high as most drugs.

True, but drugs are more satisfying. They satisfy one of the greatest desires in the hearts of men. What Freud labeled the Death Drive

Of course not all men have that desire, it depends on character.

[Sancho]

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That’s interesting. I’ve had the thought that dependence and addiction may be an actual desire for destruction, subconscious or not. I really don’t know. But it’s been something I’ve thought of from time to time, usually when somebody I know leaves this world through misadventure.

If you had guess, what percentage of addicts do you suppose are slowly and intentionally committing suicide?

[Paulclem]

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That’s interesting. I’ve had the thought that dependence and addiction may be an actual desire for destruction, subconscious or not. I really don’t know. But it’s been something I’ve thought of from time to time, usually when somebody I know leaves this world through misadventure.

If you had guess, what percentage of addicts do you suppose are slowly and intentionally committing suicide?

I think the same thing has been said about alcoholism - a slow suicide, though I'm not saying it's true, just interesting.

[Darcy88]

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[Scheherazade]

I need a list that has no more than 10 options. Can we agree on one?

[JuniperWoolf]

^Then the question would have to specify frequency. Like, "which of the following have you tried" to be really general, or "which of the following have you used in the past year," or even "which of the following do you use at least once/month." I guess it would have to be:

-tobacco
-alcohol
-marijuana
-prescription sedatives
-cocaine
-ecstasy
-natural hallucinagens (eg. mushrooms, peyote)
-synthetic hallucinogens (eg. LSD)
-opiates (eg. heroin, morphine)
-amphetamines (eg. speed)

I still don't like being around people who are high, though. They're not changed as such, just off somehow, like the pod people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

Haha, it sucks for the person who's high too, because they know you think there's something off about them, and that freaks them out. That's why being high around other people is terrible.

[Dina12]

I've heard it referred to as delerium tremens. I haven't heard the term for a while so i thought it had dropped out of use - but there are links to it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001771/

Good link, explains so much.
Anyone ever noticed how quickly alcohol resistance decreases. You spend ages building it up, think your all good for ages and you have six standard serves and youre drunk and your head's like what is this?! I don't get drunk, pfft, I must just be hungry.

[Dina12]

I think the same thing has been said about alcoholism - a slow suicide, though I'm not saying it's true, just interesting.

But you could argue that about anything, salty food, living in a city, being left handed. Practically everything we do leads to an earlier death. Are we all slowly killing ourselves by living?

[Paulclem]

But you could argue that about anything, salty food, living in a city, being left handed. Practically everything we do leads to an earlier death. Are we all slowly killing ourselves by living?

Yes, life kills you in a general sense. Except that there are some choices which hasten it more than others such as drinking. You also hear of people drinking themselves to death, but not of people salting themselves into oblivion.

[Revolte]

Yes, life kills you in a general sense. Except that there are some choices which hasten it more than others such as drinking. You also hear of people drinking themselves to death, but not of people salting themselves into oblivion.

Aside from the Slug People that is. They exist, it's the truth. I've seen 'em

I would say that excess of salty foods might have something to do with one of our number one killers, heart attacks.

Alcohol related deaths are one of the top deaths too, some times people salt their beers. That's something. I've used mexican food spices lol wasn't half bad.

[Paulclem]

Aside from the Slug People that is. They exist, it's the truth. I've seen 'em

I would say that excess of salty foods might have something to do with one of our number one killers, heart attacks.

Alcohol related deaths are one of the top deaths too, some times people salt their beers. That's something. I've used mexican food spices lol wasn't half bad.

Definately - but the consumption has been hidden by producers rather than it being added to by saly users.

The number of alcohol related deaths has gone up here in the UK, and has led to minimum pricing in Scotland where the problem is greater. It's widely blamed upon the accessibility of cheap booze from Supermarkets. It's not a new problem though as gin was blamd for many social ills in the 18th century, and could be cheaply produced.

[Sancho]

Definately - but the consumption has been hidden by producers rather than it being added to by saly users.

The number of alcohol related deaths has gone up here in the UK, and has led to minimum pricing in Scotland where the problem is greater. It's widely blamed upon the accessibility of cheap booze from Supermarkets. It's not a new problem though as gin was blamd for many social ills in the 18th century, and could be cheaply produced.

Yep. Found it! William Hogarth extolling the virtues of beer over that demon gin, London, circa 1751:

Gin Lane:



Beer Street


My drug of choice is coffee.

IlikecoffeeIdon’thaveaproblemwithitIcanhandleitbut IlikecoffeecoffeeCOFFEEyeahbabygimmesomemoreofthat wonderfulbeanjitteryjitteryjitteryJoeColombianArab icaFrenchroastItalianroastIdon’tcarejustfillupmymu gandmakeitsnappyI’minahurrythat’sagoodfellow

Coffee is good

[Paulclem]

That's the one Sancho.

I've reduced my coffee intake this year due to the effects of the strong stuff. I still drink instant though haha.

One of the bad things about drugs is of course the difficult social position it puts people in. Though they choose the route, they were often led on by people who, perhaps a bit older with a bit more experience, seem to have all the answers and the safeguards. These people are really not your friend. I've met a few charming, friendly and fun drug people who will quite happily accommodate you on their ship - whether it sinks or floats.

You can see the young addicts around any town - scruffy and unkempt with that odd and desperate air about them. The very things that will encourage a person onto a better life - a stable partner and responsibilities of some kind - are often closed. They have to do it all themselves then. Difficult.

[Delta40]

Yes, you pick up 'speed' as you go downhill...