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    The only religious thing that I was involved in as a child was the yearly harvest festival, though at assembliy in those days, hymns were sung and the Lord's prayer recited every morning. We also had the hated hymn practice on a Thursday afternoon which always seemed to be taken by a female psycho who seemed intent upon making everyone miss break time to practice some more.

    I do remember sitting i one of the rare harvest Festivals looking up at the stained glass windows when i was a kid. There were doves on the outside of the stained glass fluttering around the eaves. I had a very strong sense of their outsideness, which i've often thought about.

    My parents never mentioned religion, and I was left to my own devices in religious terms. A teacher once encouraged me to go to Sunday school when I was about eight. I did go, but only the once. My parents weren't impressed with this attempt to include me. Thinking back, the teacher was a nice lady, and I'm sure she meant well.

    The 70s and 80s seemed to be a time when religion began to be rolled back. It was seen as the province of other people really - I didn't know anyone who went to church, and though there was always a few churches around, they seemed to be regarded as conveniant landmarks when describing a journey or directions.

    Having said that there was a childish interest in esoteria such as ghosts, the afterlife, aliens, death etc etc. You can imagine how pleased I was when my Auntie gave us a box of books and I discovered The Devil and all his Works aged about 9. Part of the allure was the pictures of generally naked witches, but one bit really stuck in my head. Dennis Wheatley - successful author of many thrillers and books about the dark arts such as The Devil Rides Out, believed in reincarnation. He said it made sense to him, and when I read it, it made perfect sense to me too. I've never doubted it since.

    As a young man, religion figured even less than it had as a chlid. In secondary school, the assemblies were less, and the religious component diminished considerably. My mate married when we were quite young 18 or so, and in the church I had a real feeling that what he was doing, marriage, was really important and not to be entered into lightly. I had no intention of entering into it at all - and didn't for another 8 years, but when I did commit, it was wth the feeling of the importance of it. I don't feel it was anything to do with the church - we were married in a registry office - but it was something to do with the commitment.

    I met my wife in another church -a spiritualist one. this was where I came across other ideas such as psychics and guides and the like. My mate had taken me along once - as i knew he would eventually - and so i went to see what it was like. I wasn't at all spiritual at that time, but was living a very hedonistic lifestyle. This continued, but going to the spiritualist church introduced a different element.

    I know people scoff at spiritualists, mediums etc, but what i found was something that was other than you would expect. I now don't go along with the whole spiritualist explanation of the next life and their rather woolly versions of reincarnation. It was very difficult to get any consistent picture of what it was all like, or what it all meant. But they had something.

    What the purpose of it is, I'm not sure. They used to bang on about proof - in the face of the rise of science I suppose, and the mediums would sometimes go to great lengths to establish proof where there could never be any. Yet you would get odd messages and pieces of advice, that could not possibly have been inferred, deducted or known. They had something, but I don't think they really developed what they had.

    After my wife and I had become Buddhist, we visited a Spiritualist Church again. We weren't kown there, and we didn't know the medium. My wife got the most garbled version of what we were involved in that she laughed out loud. The medium had picked something up - or been told something - but it was clearly beyond whatever intelligence was supplying the message. It was very strange, but in that moment, all credibility was lost. I still feel that they have somethng, but they are unable or unwlling to develop further.

    The one thing that I do have respect for is their healing. I don't know how it works, or even whether it does any medical good. What I do know is that you get something given freely with the intention to help. Even the mere knowledge of that is not something you get often from anyone - least of all strangers. The healing does seem quite separate from their other stuff.

    Going back a few years, I had gone to University and studied English Literature and Religion purely by chance. I had applied late and taken whatever University had a place. The course was almost an afterthought.

    My Tutor for the comparative religion course was Peter Harvey who has been involved in The Pali Text Society, and has written An Introduction To Buddhism. I had little awareness of this at the time, but continued with my hedonistic lifestyle - though I was old enough now to study a bit and try to do as well as I could. I missed the chance of going along to his meditation classes, and learning something of the practice fo three years. The course was brilliant though, and i learnt a lot. One thing it did teach me was that in Buddhism there are moral dilemmas, but it comes down to intent and making the best of a bad situation in order to reduce suffering. If your sincere intention is to reduce the suffering of others, then you won't be far from the mark.

    My future wife wrote to me, and we kept in contact. She was invited to a talk by HH The Dalai Lama in 1989, quite out of the blue - she thought at first that it was joke played by one of her friends - and was completely smitten by his aura. From then on her aim was to go to Tibet. She did go to India on her own and travelled around. When we got together we then both went.

    By this time I had given up the hedonism. We travelled through Europe, and went to india intending to go to the Himalayas. We never got there. We met a Tibetan man one day and began to talk with him regularly. He seemed to know all about us, and, despite my intending to tell him about things in the West, we found ourselves just listening to someone who knew so much more than I had to offer. It was fascinating. He gave us a few pieces of advice, and we left India for Coventry where my wife is from. The impression he made cannot be adequately explained. Our lives changed.

    A year or so later, after the birth of my son, I attended a talk given by a Buddhist Monk. We became involved locally, and thus began our involvement in Buddhsim that continues today.
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    Fascinating story, Paul. Thanks for sharing.

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    I was raised in a secular home, me and my sister had no idea what religious views our parents may have had, because they did not believe that religion is something that showed be imposed upon children, but that it is something that an individual must decide for themselves when they are old enough.

    Though ideas regarding Christianity are rather prevalent, I was exposed to it at school through other children, in school we had to say the Pledge of Allegiance, which included references to God, so as a child I was always sort of conflicted, on the one hand I had at that time just taken it for granted that there was a God (the Judeo-Christian God) because I was not really exposed to any other ideas but on the other hand there was always something inside of me that just did not connect with the idea of this masculine, monotheistic God. It just never really made sense to me, though I did not know that not believing was an option at that time, but I could not bring myself to truly believe in it either.

    I was always inclined to be very introverted, solitary, I was never very openly expressive, and though I got along well enough with my parents, I just never developed one of those open relationships which involve a lot of sharing of feelings, and personal thoughts, I was always very much living inside my own head, so I do not recall really actually having any discussions about religion in my early life with my parents, I never questioned them about God or religion, I just tried to work it out on my terms.

    I always felt an very close and drawn to nature. I felt a close personal connection with Mother Nature, in fact in the Pledge of Allegiance and when we had to sing the song America the Beautiful in school I started replacing the word God with Mother Nature. For me Nature itself did feel as if it was this living entity, that it was infused with a spirit. I felt I could feel the spirit within other living things.

    In middle school when we began learning about Greek Mythology, I was really drawn to it, and I loved the Polytheistic idea, I loved the Greek Gods, there was something about it that spoke to me, and I thought to myself, that I wished I could believe in that but I still did not really have strong ideas about what my beliefs were.

    Than in high school I happened to encounter an individual who was a Wiccan, and that was sort of the catalyst or the doorway. Though I decided that Wicca itself was not the path for me, through that I discovered Paganism, and it was as if I found the very thing I had been searching for. It was the first thing that made sense to me, and really resonated within me. Everything I had naturally/instinctively thought, felt, believed, exteriorized could be found within Paganism.

    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandis View Post
    Fascinating story, Paul. Thanks for sharing.
    Thanks mate. Incidentally, your avatar was in The Devil and all his Works.

    It's interesting, Dark, how often as individuals we are affected by another individual who introduces us to ideas that resonate with us and seem to have been naturally developing.

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    I one time saw an evil hand. No kidding. It was a severed hand that crawled up a dark basement and grabbed a black book. I'd say there were 8 witnesses. I was about 7. We all got the hell out of there.

    It's unusual in that evil spirits usually don't occupy bodily vessels. My guess is it was a particularly strong one and someone died in there. Turned out, there were 2 murders a year back. It was a famous case in which 2 young children disappeared and they turned up dead in the park up the road. The apartment was 50 feet from that basement.

    I guess I should write a poem about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulclem View Post
    It's interesting, Dark, how often as individuals we are affected by another individual who introduces us to ideas that resonate with us and seem to have been naturally developing.
    Yes, it was quite an eye opening experience, and it always felt almost fated in a way.

    The two of us had been in the same class more or less oblivious to each others existence for a while when it just so happened one day, the teacher was a little late, and we both arrived early, so the room was locked and we were left standing outside together waiting, and so started talking. Than when class started we took are respective seats but happened to catch each others eye and through an unspoken communication ended up moving so we were sitting together, and after that it was an instant connection. I always felt that some unforeseen hand or force of the universe drew me to this "key" that I needed.

    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before. ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulclem View Post
    Thanks mate. Incidentally, your avatar was in The Devil and all his Works.
    It's my favorite Goya painting, The Witches Sabbath.

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    My mom was a Buddhist but changed to Catholic. Dad was a Buddhist as well. However, the two didn't mention anything much about their religious background. I know why they didn't...Because they didn't care much about what religion you belong to. They just wanted their son (Yours truly ) to grow up with good morals.

    So, during my youth, I didn't know much about any religion. I just focused on my schooling. All the while, my mom would teach me the basics of life as I was growing up. Such as, do good to others, don't curse, don't do drugs, don't fight, etc.

    All that she taught me, I cherish up to this very day. I learned how to live from her. She taught me all I needed to know to make my own choices...Good choices.

    One day, missionaries knocked on my door. I was in the shower at the time but my family answered the door. As I came out, I saw two young men dress in a white shirt and tie. I don't know what possessed me to do so but I started asking them questions about Jesus, God, and what not. I don't normally ask questions like those especially with strangers because I was one of the most shy kids at the time but I did.

    Long story short, everything they taught me clicked with something inside me. So, after much pondering and a prayer...One of my first prayer, I decided to be baptize.
    "The Lord work from the inside out. The world works from the outside in. The world would take people out of the slums. Christ takes the slums out of the people and then they take themselves out of the slums. Christ changes men, who then changes their enviroment. The world would shape human behavior, but Christ can change human nature."

    ~Ezra Taft Benson

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    I listened to Paul Simon's "Duncan" once and the line, "thanking God for my fingers" inspired a bit of a religious experience. By appreciating the design of the minuscule I was able to appreciate the vastness of the Creator's love.
    Whether you think that you can, or that you can't, you are probably right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulclem View Post
    The only religious thing that I was involved in as a child was the yearly harvest festival, though at assembliy in those days, hymns were sung and the Lord's prayer recited every morning. We also had the hated hymn practice on a Thursday afternoon which always seemed to be taken by a female psycho who seemed intent upon making everyone miss break time to practice some more.

    I do remember sitting i one of the rare harvest Festivals looking up at the stained glass windows when i was a kid. There were doves on the outside of the stained glass fluttering around the eaves. I had a very strong sense of their outsideness, which i've often thought about.

    My parents never mentioned religion, and I was left to my own devices in religious terms. A teacher once encouraged me to go to Sunday school when I was about eight. I did go, but only the once. My parents weren't impressed with this attempt to include me. Thinking back, the teacher was a nice lady, and I'm sure she meant well.

    The 70s and 80s seemed to be a time when religion began to be rolled back. It was seen as the province of other people really - I didn't know anyone who went to church, and though there was always a few churches around, they seemed to be regarded as conveniant landmarks when describing a journey or directions.

    Having said that there was a childish interest in esoteria such as ghosts, the afterlife, aliens, death etc etc. You can imagine how pleased I was when my Auntie gave us a box of books and I discovered The Devil and all his Works aged about 9. Part of the allure was the pictures of generally naked witches, but one bit really stuck in my head. Dennis Wheatley - successful author of many thrillers and books about the dark arts such as The Devil Rides Out, believed in reincarnation. He said it made sense to him, and when I read it, it made perfect sense to me too. I've never doubted it since.

    As a young man, religion figured even less than it had as a chlid. In secondary school, the assemblies were less, and the religious component diminished considerably. My mate married when we were quite young 18 or so, and in the church I had a real feeling that what he was doing, marriage, was really important and not to be entered into lightly. I had no intention of entering into it at all - and didn't for another 8 years, but when I did commit, it was wth the feeling of the importance of it. I don't feel it was anything to do with the church - we were married in a registry office - but it was something to do with the commitment.

    I met my wife in another church -a spiritualist one. this was where I came across other ideas such as psychics and guides and the like. My mate had taken me along once - as i knew he would eventually - and so i went to see what it was like. I wasn't at all spiritual at that time, but was living a very hedonistic lifestyle. This continued, but going to the spiritualist church introduced a different element.

    I know people scoff at spiritualists, mediums etc, but what i found was something that was other than you would expect. I now don't go along with the whole spiritualist explanation of the next life and their rather woolly versions of reincarnation. It was very difficult to get any consistent picture of what it was all like, or what it all meant. But they had something.

    What the purpose of it is, I'm not sure. They used to bang on about proof - in the face of the rise of science I suppose, and the mediums would sometimes go to great lengths to establish proof where there could never be any. Yet you would get odd messages and pieces of advice, that could not possibly have been inferred, deducted or known. They had something, but I don't think they really developed what they had.

    After my wife and I had become Buddhist, we visited a Spiritualist Church again. We weren't kown there, and we didn't know the medium. My wife got the most garbled version of what we were involved in that she laughed out loud. The medium had picked something up - or been told something - but it was clearly beyond whatever intelligence was supplying the message. It was very strange, but in that moment, all credibility was lost. I still feel that they have somethng, but they are unable or unwlling to develop further.

    The one thing that I do have respect for is their healing. I don't know how it works, or even whether it does any medical good. What I do know is that you get something given freely with the intention to help. Even the mere knowledge of that is not something you get often from anyone - least of all strangers. The healing does seem quite separate from their other stuff.

    Going back a few years, I had gone to University and studied English Literature and Religion purely by chance. I had applied late and taken whatever University had a place. The course was almost an afterthought.

    My Tutor for the comparative religion course was Peter Harvey who has been involved in The Pali Text Society, and has written An Introduction To Buddhism. I had little awareness of this at the time, but continued with my hedonistic lifestyle - though I was old enough now to study a bit and try to do as well as I could. I missed the chance of going along to his meditation classes, and learning something of the practice fo three years. The course was brilliant though, and i learnt a lot. One thing it did teach me was that in Buddhism there are moral dilemmas, but it comes down to intent and making the best of a bad situation in order to reduce suffering. If your sincere intention is to reduce the suffering of others, then you won't be far from the mark.

    My future wife wrote to me, and we kept in contact. She was invited to a talk by HH The Dalai Lama in 1989, quite out of the blue - she thought at first that it was joke played by one of her friends - and was completely smitten by his aura. From then on her aim was to go to Tibet. She did go to India on her own and travelled around. When we got together we then both went.

    By this time I had given up the hedonism. We travelled through Europe, and went to india intending to go to the Himalayas. We never got there. We met a Tibetan man one day and began to talk with him regularly. He seemed to know all about us, and, despite my intending to tell him about things in the West, we found ourselves just listening to someone who knew so much more than I had to offer. It was fascinating. He gave us a few pieces of advice, and we left India for Coventry where my wife is from. The impression he made cannot be adequately explained. Our lives changed.

    A year or so later, after the birth of my son, I attended a talk given by a Buddhist Monk. We became involved locally, and thus began our involvement in Buddhsim that continues today.
    Way to live and learn the most. Explore, discover and divulge. Very nice piece. There are no other productive ways to go about this matters regardless of the stage at which you find your potential, meaningful ways. Develop!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafolini View Post
    Way to live and learn the most. Explore, discover and divulge. Very nice piece. There are no other productive ways to go about this matters regardless of the stage at which you find your potential, meaningful ways. Develop!!!
    Thanks. A timely reminder.

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    I find this thread interesting. It really insightful to read how people relate their religious experiences to their autobiographies.

    I received a relatively conservative upbringing. My family belonged to a Baptist church. Our faith was a tiny minority in the area we lived in and we thought of ourselves as the sympathetic underdogs that were constantly bullied by the majority religion. I was always taught that a necessary part of faith is to be filled with the holy ghost. I felt tremendous social pressure since I had never experienced anything like what this experience was supposed to be, even though I did my best to receive this experience: I prayed a lot and went to sermons where prestigious preachers prayed for me to experience this miracle. But I never experienced anything other than feelings of comfort and warmth when someone put their hands over my head. Sometimes I thought that maybe I should just "fake" this experience just to feel more accepted. Later on I have thought that maybe some others in our church felt the same way I did and that they faked the experience just to fit in better.

    So far the most religious experience that I've experienced has been the feeling that I felt when I was getting drunk with my friend on a cold autumn evening, and when I was shivering in the cold, my friend noticed this and offered his pullover to me so that I wouldn't catch a cold. The feeling of his warm shirt against my skin and his friendly smile were intoxicating - someone cared about me enough to take off his shirt and give it to me for me to wear. At this point I had already gave up my faith as a christian and my friend was not a christian either - we were just two nonbelievers sharing a moment of trust, respect and love.
    De omnibus dubitandum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowsCool View Post
    I one time saw an evil hand. No kidding. It was a severed hand that crawled up a dark basement and grabbed a black book. I'd say there were 8 witnesses. I was about 7. We all got the hell out of there.

    It's unusual in that evil spirits usually don't occupy bodily vessels. My guess is it was a particularly strong one and someone died in there. Turned out, there were 2 murders a year back. It was a famous case in which 2 young children disappeared and they turned up dead in the park up the road. The apartment was 50 feet from that basement.

    I guess I should write a poem about it.
    That is one spookystory ShadowsCool.

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    Monday morning I spent an hour pursuing samatha-vipassana meditation, and experienced several jhanic states, encountering ecstasy, timelessness, ultimate calm and infinite spaciousness, amongst other things. But usually my religious experiences are exciting as those of Mutatis-Mutandis. Is no religious experience a religious experience? Is that Zen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal4mac View Post
    Monday morning I spent an hour pursuing samatha-vipissana meditation, and experienced several jhanic states, encountering ecstasy, timelessness, ultimate calm and infinite spaciousness, amongst other things. But usually my religious experiences are exciting as those of Mutatis-Mutandis. Is no religious experience a religious experience? Is that Zen?
    It's one form of Zen.

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