God and all

[mazHur]

I wonder alright, mazHur, more about myself than anything.

'good habits' seldom change!!

is it a logic or argument which you said "If He exists, the world doesn't; and if the world doesn't exist, then He doesn't. " ?? can u explain it little more what u wanna say ?

In this context it is also said, in the words of poet Iqbal
Jo tha nahi he jo hay na hoga
qareeb tar hay namood jis kee
usee ka mushtaq hay zamana

ie what was isn't there any more
what's there will not be any more
what is nearest to unfold
is what the world's looking for!

na tha agar tu shareek e mehfil
qasoor tera hay ya ke mera
tareeq mera nahi ke rakh loon
kisi kee khatir mayay shabana

If you failed to appear in the 'party'
is that my fault or yours??
It's not my rule to store away for anyone
the wine of yesternight!

and Ghalib....
When there was nothing God was
When there will be nothing God will be!!

[aliengirl]

In this context it is also said, in the words of poet Iqbal
Jo tha nahi he jo hay na hoga
qareeb tar hay namood jis kee
usee ka mushtaq hay zamana

ie what was isn't there any more
what's there will not be any more
what is nearest to unfold
is what the world's looking for!

na tha agar tu shareek e mehfil
qasoor tera hay ya ke mera
tareeq mera nahi ke rakh loon
kisi kee khatir mayay shabana

If you failed to appear in the 'party'
is that my fault or yours??
It's not my rule to store away for anyone
the wine of yesternight!

Hey mazHUR, these are beautiful verses from Iqbal. May I ask from which collection? Zarb-e-Kalim? The topic of discussion is quite redundant here but your poems and quotes make it pleasurable.

[mazHur]

Hey mazHUR, these are beautiful verses from Iqbal. May I ask from which collection? Zarb-e-Kalim? The topic of discussion is quite redundant here but your poems and quotes make it pleasurable.

thanks for your comments, I am flattered!!

here is the complete poem (titled Zamana ie This Age ) of Iqbal and video as well..



http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWZpQk_FIA8
PS: sorry I omitted half the first line ......ie Yehi hay ik harf-e-mehrmaana
( This is a 'private' secret)

Nice rendering of the poem by Iqbal Bano...MP3
Enjoy: http://www.mastfm103.com/tracks/?11008

I forgot to state that this poem of Iqbal is from his collection, Bal-e-Jibrael. Listen.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZzctcYCvyE

[YesNo]

thanks for your comments, I am flattered!!

here is the complete poem (titled Zamana ie This Age ) of Iqbal and video as well..



http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWZpQk_FIA8
PS: sorry I omitted half the first line ......ie Yehi hay ik harf-e-mehrmaana
( This is a 'private' secret)

Nice rendering of the poem by Iqbal Bano...MP3
Enjoy: http://www.mastfm103.com/tracks/?11008

I can't read Arabic, which is what I assume this is written in, but I wonder if line breaks are used in Arabic poetry or not.

[mazHur]

I can't read Arabic, which is what I assume this is written in, but I wonder if line breaks are used in Arabic poetry or not.

YesNo, the poem is not in Arabic but Urdu.

Urdu poetry has adopted rhythm and rhyme (metre) from Persian and Arabic. It is written in different styles and patterns. A collection of stanzas where each stanza reflects a different topic is called a Ghazal, the most popular form of romantic or sad poetry in Urdu.
The poem under reference is not a ghazal but a Nazm where an idea or a thought(theme) is continuously composed from beginning to end, hence its title "Present Age or Present Times''.
Unlike English where meter depends on the vocal stress (phonetics) you put on the word or the syllable, every word of Urdu has Fixed ''stress-marks'' on it. Consequently any deviation from ''stress' will destroy the meter (as in music) and render the poem unreadable or unworthy. However, free verse is allowed in Urdu but it is not so popular and good poets refuse to accept it as poetry at all. Least but not the last important thing in Urdu poetry as also in poetry of all languages is the best selection of words and syntax which makes it enjoyable for reading.

Ofcourse, Urdu poems are split into lines, quite distinctly. Two lines go in the making of a stanza in a ghazal but there can be 4 or 6 lines as well in other forms of poetry.

[G L Wilson]

I don't understand a word of Urdu, but isn't it beautiful writing?

[mazHur]

I don't understand a word of Urdu, but isn't it beautiful writing?

For your information, Iqbal is the national poet of Pakistan. He is also famed as the ''poet of the East' or 'Philosopher poet''.

I was able to find an English rendering of Iqbal's poem I just posted in Urdu. You might enjoy reading his thoughts as well as find more of his poems interesting

here is the url to his other poems...

http://www.allamaiqbal.com/works/poe...l/translation/

THIS AGE

The past is dead, the future unknown,
This is the only truth;
The world awaits with eagerness
The age that will soon emerge.

I know them all,
But know them at a different level;
Using some, and used by others,
And playing the mentor to a few.

The astrologer’s eye
Knows not my restless nature;
An eye not enlightened
Will miss the mark outright.

Sunset it is not, but blood—
Blood streaming in the firmament;
Today is dying into yesterday;
Wait for the silver streak.

The reckless minds that have unleashed
The frightening powers of nature,
Now wait in fear for the thunderbolt
That will destroy their homes.

The winds, the seas, and the ships,
Are all at their command;
But the whirlpools, minions of fate,
Are coiling to swallow them up.

The old world, which the West
Had made a gambling den,
Is breathing its last,
Yielding place to new.
The dervish, who is kingly

In his power of faith,
Will live, though the storms
Blast the thrones of kings.

Whose Earth is this, God's or yours???

Iqbal again.......

THE EARTH IS GOD'S

WHO rears the seed in the darkness of the ground?
Who lifts the cloud up from the ocean wave?
Who drew here from the west the fruitful wind?
Who made this soil, or who that light of the sun?
Who filled with pearls of grain the tasselled wheat?
Who taught the months by instinct to revolve?

Landlord! this earth is not thine, is not thine,
Nor yet thy fathers' ; no, not thine, nor mine.
by V. G. Kiernan. ISBN: 0 19 579185 1

[G L Wilson]

I meant that Urdu calligraphy was beautiful. English can be imprecise at times when spoken informally.

[mazHur]

I meant that Urdu calligraphy was beautiful. English can be imprecise at times when spoken informally

oh yes, Urdu calligraphy is done in many modes, both Arabic and Persian.
True, funnily English changes with the mouth it's spoken with

[G L Wilson]

oh yes, Urdu calligraphy is done in many modes, both Arabic and Persian.
True, funnily English changes with the mouth it's spoken with

I couldn't agree more, I feel so stupid.

[aliengirl]

I forgot to state that this poem of Iqbal is from his collection, Bal-e-Jibrael. Listen.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZzctcYCvyE

Thank you mazHUR for posting the complete poem and the links. When I read the last line I recalled it was from Bal-e-Jibrael. I'll check out the videos.

The second poem posted by you (The Earth is God's) is one of my favorites. It pulls down the whole infrastructure of nationalism, capitalism and so on. Iqbal is simply a peerless poet.

[G L Wilson]

mazHur, I am thinking of converting to Islam - it would be safer. I am not serious, I am just depressed: nothing I do seems to be right. I create chaos wherever I go, and all I want to do is to talk intelligently to another human being. I am so alone and nothing I do helps. Years of solitude have made me unfit for human company, I suspect.

[Calidore]

mazHur, I am thinking of converting to Islam - it would be safer. I am not serious, I am just depressed: nothing I do seems to be right. I create chaos wherever I go, and all I want to do is to talk intelligently to another human being. I am so alone and nothing I do helps. Years of solitude have made me unfit for human company, I suspect.

Two pieces of advice I can offer, for what they're worth:

1) The best way to get comfortable socializing is to do it, like now on the forums. Practice makes perfect.

2) One good way to get better at it is to accept outside input and learn from mistakes. Re. posting, slow down and explain your thoughts more, as the mods have asked. Write paragraphs instead of sentences, at least at the start, so people understand what you're really saying.

[G L Wilson]

Two pieces of advice I can offer, for what they're worth:

1) The best way to get comfortable socializing is to do it, like now on the forums. Practice makes perfect.

2) One good way to get better at it is to accept outside input and learn from mistakes. Re. posting, slow down and explain your thoughts more, as the mods have asked. Write paragraphs instead of sentences, at least at the start, so people understand what you're really saying.

I will take your advice onboard, it seems like sound advice.

[Varenne Rodin]

G L, how old are you? I don't intend to insult you, I'm just curious. It seems you're in the throes of an ongoing existential crisis. I've been researching correlations between age, maturity, and existentialism. Help me out?