"I should only believe in a God that would know how to dance. And when I saw my devil, I found him serious, thorough, profound, solemn: he was the spirit of gravity- through him all things fall. Not by wrath, but by laughter, do we slay. Come, let us slay the spirit of gravity!" - Nietzsche
Well if Columbus hadn't discovered America we wouldn't have had many important scientific inventions such as the modern computer, as well as household labour-saving devices like the washing machine, the vacuum cleaner, the sewing machine etc. Not to mention Elvis, lime flavoured popsicles, Desperate Housewives, Ronald McDonald, GWB.. ..the list goes on.
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
Well, I am not here to convince you but just imagine a world without him and let's face it: we have no idea if - and when - Europeans would have discovered the New World without Columbus' obsession and wrong calculations, nobody knew nor imagined that there was land between the West and the East, this would be interesting stuff for alternative history. What would have been of Spain without the gold of the Americas? and what about tomato/potato/etcetera that will slowly change and improve the diet of a ravaged Europe? what about the Mediterranean Sea remaining forever the center of the (European) world? there are so many crazy scenarios you can imagine ... it's almost a pity that Columbus ruined them all with his idée fixe
"He had but one eye, and the popular prejudice runs in favour of two."
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
If by that you are trying to be clever and sate that it was indeed Amerigo Vespucci who discovered America, you are still wrong. He discovered the mainland of what is now U.S.A, after Columbus discovered the west indies. However for those of of us who know that America does not equal U.S.A, Columbus was the first to do it.
Now an argument may be held for the icelandic explorers who arrived in Canada several centuries before Columbus. They were the first to set foot in America, but they wee not the first to Discover it. To Discover a land one must produce some form of documentation of it. Or at leas that is how we define discovery nowadays.
That is also why the claim that it was the Chinese general Zehng He, who discovered, is not accepted. While it is entirely possible that he did land there first, he produced no documentation of his discovery and thus it cannot be accredited to him and the Chinese.
Last edited by Alexander III; 05-22-2011 at 06:13 PM.
As Oscar Wilde said: "America was discovered many times before Columbus but they always managed to hush it up."
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
We know for a fact that the Vikings discovered America some five centuries before Columbus - not only do we have several sagas relating the discovery of 'Vinland', but archeaologists have also found Viking Age artefacts there as well.
But that aside, even in Columbus' time, there were other European sailors who had seen bits of the americas - they just hadn't landed. I attended a lecture on 14th/15th century cartography the other week, and the chap who gave it was showing that a lot of the maps produced around that time put lands out there, with remarkable accuracy in terms of placement. Though not officially confirmed, the knowledge of the presence of land out there was obviously doing the rounds among the sea-faring classes.
"I should only believe in a God that would know how to dance. And when I saw my devil, I found him serious, thorough, profound, solemn: he was the spirit of gravity- through him all things fall. Not by wrath, but by laughter, do we slay. Come, let us slay the spirit of gravity!" - Nietzsche
In other words, Columbus may not have known what it was, but he had a pretty good idea it was there.
The thread asks for the most important people in history, not giving a specific starting point as to when people will be considered. My two American nominations were, to me, perhaps the most important in American history.
I'm clearly aware America as a nation hasn't existed as long as the Roman Empire, but my nominations were for American "History."
Why not say Adam and Eve? If the Bible is true word for word, didn't we spawn from them?
Even if we want to say Columbus was the first someone would have got there eventually.
There is also evidence that the Portuguese knew of the existence of Brazil from their sailing techniques that brought them through the mid-Atlantic to their West African Colonies to avoid rough waters. Which may be why the Portuguese insisted on claiming newly discovered territories East of the Bahamas.
Last edited by OrphanPip; 05-23-2011 at 12:42 AM.
"If the national mental illness of the United States is megalomania, that of Canada is paranoid schizophrenia."
- Margaret Atwood