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    Literary Villains Weekend!

    This weekend (Aug 20 - 22) we will have a literary villains weekend.

    Share your favorite and least liked villains in this thread.

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    I wondered what the new avatar was for. Who shall I be.....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulclem View Post
    Who shall I be.....?
    Hmm... Can't think of anyone!

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    But is it the monster or the creator who is the real villain? Or perhaps we should just blame the creator God... But no, no we don't want to get into that.

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    I always think of that candy guy who starred in chitty chitty bang when someone says villain. you know, the dude who could smell children...(shivers down my spine)
    Before sunlight can shine through a window, the blinds must be raised - American Proverb

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    Oh no, oh no - don't nag me to change my avatar - oh!! But wait, mine's Dorian Gray, ha, ha!!

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    This was a difficult choice... but I found my villain
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    Personally, I think that the unique and supreme delight lies in the certainty of doing 'evil'–and men and women know from birth that all pleasure lies in evil. - Baudelaire

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    Fun! My villian is only marginally literary but I love him.
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    My two favorite villains aren't really despicable villains, as a matter of fact they're quite sympathetic.

    The most unforgettable "villian" or anti-hero for me is Satan from Milton's Paradise Lost whose vision of Hell and the fallen angel is unmatched in the language.

    "[H]is pride
    Had cast him out from Heaven, with all his host
    Of rebel Angels, by whose aid, aspiring
    To set himself in glory above his peers,
    He trusted to have equalled the Most High,
    If he opposed, and with ambitious aim
    Against the throne and monarchy of God,
    Raised impious war in Heaven and battle proud,
    With vain attempt. Him the Almighty Power
    Hurled headlong flaming from th' ethereal sky,
    With hideous ruin and combustion, down
    To bottomless perdition, there to dwell
    In adamantine chains and penal fire,
    Who durst defy th' Omnipotent to arms.

    Nine times the space that measures day and night
    To mortal men, he, with his horrid crew,
    Lay vanquished, rolling in the fiery gulf,
    Confounded, though immortal. But his doom
    Reserved him to more wrath; for now the thought
    Both of lost happiness and lasting pain
    Torments him: round he throws his baleful eyes,
    That witnessed huge affliction and dismay,
    Mixed with obdurate pride and steadfast hate.
    At once, as far as Angels ken, he views
    The dismal situation waste and wild.
    A dungeon horrible, on all sides round,
    As one great furnace flamed; yet from those flames
    No light; but rather darkness visible
    Served only to discover sights of woe,
    Regions of sorrow, doleful shades, where peace
    And rest can never dwell, hope never comes
    That comes to all, but torture without end
    Still urges, and a fiery deluge, fed
    With ever-burning sulphur unconsumed.
    Such place Eternal Justice has prepared
    For those rebellious; here their prison ordained
    In utter darkness, and their portion set,
    As far removed from God and light of Heaven
    As from the centre thrice to th' utmost pole."


    My other favorite villain isn't really a villain at all, that is unless, if you consider Shakespeare to be a creator of irredeemably evil men (Iago is one of the very few exceptions). Shylock in my opinion and by my interpretation is one of Shakespeare's most misunderstood characters, who acts in dreadful ways as a result of the anti-Semitic society he has lived in. He is hated by all because he is a Jew, it is only human nature that he would hate them back. His cold merciless logic is the result of the cold merciless logic of society. Indeed Shylock is a deeply flawed character, but his buying of "a pound of flesh" of Antonio is nothing more than a mirror to the hypocrisies of a highly prejudice society:

    "You have among you many a purchas’d slave,
    Which, fike your asses and your dogs and mules,
    You use in abject and in slavish parts,
    Because you bought them; shall I say to you
    ‘Let them be free, marry them to your heirs?
    Why sweat they under burdens? let their beds
    Be made as soft as yours, and let their palates
    Be season’d with such viands? You will answer
    ‘The slaves are ours.’ So do I answer you:
    The pound of flesh which I demand of him
    Is dearly bought; ’tis mine, and I will have it."

    Shylock's lack of human compassion and decency is inherited from the lack of compassion and decency by society. He is a deeply human character who is in a profound sense, still relevant today:

    "I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we shall resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge. The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction."
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    That happen on the Soul
    And leave it with a Discontent
    Too exquisite — to tell —
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    I was wondering if I was brave enough to go one weekend with a female avatar (Nurse Ratched), but was finally saved by memory of this one. Still, not technically male, I guess, but fine for a weekend.

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    Cool idea. I will have to think of someone before the weekend.
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    Here's mine. I wanted to go with Morgan le Fay in keeping with my Arthurian interests, but my avatar searches kept returning with Faye Valentine from Cowboy Bebop.

    So I went with a more current witch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta40 View Post
    I always think of that candy guy who starred in chitty chitty bang when someone says villain. you know, the dude who could smell children...(shivers down my spine)
    Yes ! you are right, a shared cultural moment there Delta.

    Quote Originally Posted by DanielBenoit View Post
    My two favorite villains aren't really despicable villains, as a matter of fact they're quite sympathetic.

    The most unforgettable "villian" or anti-hero for me is Satan from Milton's Paradise Lost whose vision of Hell and the fallen angel is unmatched in the language.

    "[H]is pride
    Had cast him out from Heaven, with all his host
    Of rebel Angels, by whose aid, aspiring
    To set himself in glory above his peers,
    He trusted to have equalled the Most High,
    If he opposed, and with ambitious aim
    Against the throne and monarchy of God,
    Raised impious war in Heaven and battle proud,
    With vain attempt. Him the Almighty Power
    Hurled headlong flaming from th' ethereal sky,
    With hideous ruin and combustion, down
    To bottomless perdition, there to dwell
    In adamantine chains and penal fire,
    Who durst defy th' Omnipotent to arms.

    Nine times the space that measures day and night
    To mortal men, he, with his horrid crew,
    Lay vanquished, rolling in the fiery gulf,
    Confounded, though immortal. But his doom
    Reserved him to more wrath; for now the thought
    Both of lost happiness and lasting pain
    Torments him: round he throws his baleful eyes,
    That witnessed huge affliction and dismay,
    Mixed with obdurate pride and steadfast hate.
    At once, as far as Angels ken, he views
    The dismal situation waste and wild.
    A dungeon horrible, on all sides round,
    As one great furnace flamed; yet from those flames
    No light; but rather darkness visible
    Served only to discover sights of woe,
    Regions of sorrow, doleful shades, where peace
    And rest can never dwell, hope never comes
    That comes to all, but torture without end
    Still urges, and a fiery deluge, fed
    With ever-burning sulphur unconsumed.
    Such place Eternal Justice has prepared
    For those rebellious; here their prison ordained
    In utter darkness, and their portion set,
    As far removed from God and light of Heaven
    As from the centre thrice to th' utmost pole."


    My other favorite villain isn't really a villain at all, that is unless, if you consider Shakespeare to be a creator of irredeemably evil men (Iago is one of the very few exceptions). Shylock in my opinion and by my interpretation is one of Shakespeare's most misunderstood characters, who acts in dreadful ways as a result of the anti-Semitic society he has lived in. He is hated by all because he is a Jew, it is only human nature that he would hate them back. His cold merciless logic is the result of the cold merciless logic of society. Indeed Shylock is a deeply flawed character, but his buying of "a pound of flesh" of Antonio is nothing more than a mirror to the hypocrisies of a highly prejudice society:

    "You have among you many a purchas’d slave,
    Which, fike your asses and your dogs and mules,
    You use in abject and in slavish parts,
    Because you bought them; shall I say to you
    ‘Let them be free, marry them to your heirs?
    Why sweat they under burdens? let their beds
    Be made as soft as yours, and let their palates
    Be season’d with such viands? You will answer
    ‘The slaves are ours.’ So do I answer you:
    The pound of flesh which I demand of him
    Is dearly bought; ’tis mine, and I will have it."

    Shylock's lack of human compassion and decency is inherited from the lack of compassion and decency by society. He is a deeply human character who is in a profound sense, still relevant today:

    "I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we shall resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge. The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction."
    Iago -yes. But the other two have, over the ages, become merely misunderstood. Like victims of the society they were brought up in.

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    Are movie-villains allowed?

    Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.
    To keep our faces toward change and behave like free spirits
    in the presence of fate is strength undefeatable.”

    Helen Keller

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