Sauron--Lord of the Rings Trilogy or Lord Foul Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever Trilogies I and II
Sauron--Lord of the Rings Trilogy or Lord Foul Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever Trilogies I and II
Some of us laugh
Some of us cry
Some of us smoke
Some of us lie
But it's all just the way
that we cope with our lives...
Oh, if you think Sauron is bad, you should see his "Master", Morgoth from The Silmarillion, he was even more badass than that wimp, Sauron.Originally Posted by Pendragon
the luminous grass of the prairie hides
feet lovely and still as sleeping doves,
porcelain bones strong enough to carry a life,
but weighty and unmovable
As black Dakota hills. ~ Riesa
Yes, Sauron is just a weak looser compared to Melkor(Morgoth). As far as I remember even Beren and Luthien(maybe with the help of Finrod Felegund and Huan) were able to kick his butt.
Last edited by Boris239; 05-16-2006 at 11:37 AM.
A lot of people said Iago. I disagree. This is an ongoing battle in my family (between myself and everyone) I don't think that he is a good villian at all. I was actually quite dissapointed with the play Othello. Othello is made out to be such a powerful and heroic wonderful figure in the beginning but it doesn't take much to wittle him down. If you really examine what Iago does to him ... just a little too much trust and a lie or two completely destroy the perfect hero. Some kind of perfect hero! Then Iago himself ... has no motive! well sure he is jealous etc, possibly racist etc, but but he hates the moor for no reason. I just don't get it.
Irish poets, learn your trade!
-Yeats
Well, Luthien kicked his butt, Beren just sat back and let his girlfriend do all the work, as usual.
the luminous grass of the prairie hides
feet lovely and still as sleeping doves,
porcelain bones strong enough to carry a life,
but weighty and unmovable
As black Dakota hills. ~ Riesa
I always liked Turin Turambar more than Beren- he is well more human and independent.Well, Luthien kicked his butt, Beren just sat back and let his girlfriend do all the work, as usual.
Oh, I agree whole-heartedly! I never understood why Beren became such a hero...riding the coat tails of his girlfriend again.
the luminous grass of the prairie hides
feet lovely and still as sleeping doves,
porcelain bones strong enough to carry a life,
but weighty and unmovable
As black Dakota hills. ~ Riesa
Stupid elves didn't understand who the real heroes are!
The Elves are stupid, stupid and boring.Stupid elves didn't understand who the real heroes are!
the luminous grass of the prairie hides
feet lovely and still as sleeping doves,
porcelain bones strong enough to carry a life,
but weighty and unmovable
As black Dakota hills. ~ Riesa
Iago is amazing. When you look at his interactions with all the other characters, he deceives everyone - and I mean EVERYONE. There isn't a single character in the play that Iago doesn't shamelessly and masterfully manipulate.
Falstaff is also great. When you look at him he's really as deceitful, as debased, and as evil as Edmund or Iago, except he's such a funny tub of lard that you can't help but like him. It's interesting how Shakespeare makes someone who is inherently evil one of his most popular and enduring characters.
The Grinch, from How the Grinch Stole Christmas.
I think you all know why.
In that case,the Once-ler from The Lorax.
He just didn't care about those Brown Bar-ba-loots
frisking about in their Bar-ba-loot suits.
Probably Iago from Othello. Ill say nothing about my reasons.
Last edited by Woland; 05-19-2006 at 01:35 AM.
"Well, God give them wisdom that have it; and those that are fools, let them use their talents."
- Feste, Twelfth Night
"...till human voices wake us and we drown."
- Eliot
Yes. I've read the book. He was supposed to have created the Balrogs, no? But once defeated, he remained disposed of rather than return. Sauron was harder to handle. Defeat him once, then he returns as the Necromancer in Mirkwood, before reclaiming Mordor. And seduces a Wizard, Saurman, and one of Aragorn's kin in Gondor, Denathor, neither of which was easy to do. Subtility works where force of evil cannot.Oh, if you think Sauron is bad, you should see his "Master", Morgoth from The Silmarillion, he was even more badass than that wimp, Sauron.
Last edited by Pendragon; 05-21-2006 at 08:06 AM.
Some of us laugh
Some of us cry
Some of us smoke
Some of us lie
But it's all just the way
that we cope with our lives...
Those are good points but I think it's important to remember that Melkor and Saruon weren't fighting the same people. It took the Vala to dispose of Melkor/Morgoth, Sauron's enemies weren't quite so powerful. The Elves and Men tried to deal with Melkor/Morgoth on their own and they weren't able to defeat him so they called in the big guns and the resulting war completely destroyed the Middle Earth of that time, because of that war, the half of ME fell into the ocean Valinor was hidden, it was a fairly cataclysmic deal. Sauron, while very powerful and vile himself, didn't carry that kind of weight, the Vala stayed out of it and let the masses deal with him. I suppose you can say they intervened in that they sent the Wizards but that was a far as they were willing to go. So even though Morgoth was finally and permanently conquered, I still think he was the more powerful of the two, he was Vala after all and Sauron was only a Maia.
the luminous grass of the prairie hides
feet lovely and still as sleeping doves,
porcelain bones strong enough to carry a life,
but weighty and unmovable
As black Dakota hills. ~ Riesa
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