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    So I have been wondering, aside from the fact that we are all obviously fairly heavy Internet social-networking users . How do you really stand on the issue that is the Internet?

    A couple of thoughts or rather view points ( not mine as such but as conversation starters):

    Is it worth the hassle?
    Its dangerous on many levels ( piracy, lack of privacy, violence??, opens the door to all sorts of nastiness)
    what are you talking about the Internet saved my life?
    Loss of the ability to interface correctly with other humans, in face to face environment?
    Second Life anyone?
    The bastardisation of written language.
    Brings people together a la 'global village'

    Anyone??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade View Post
    So I have been wondering, aside from the fact that we are all obviously fairly heavy Internet social-networking users . How do you really stand on the issue that is the Internet?

    A couple of thoughts or rather view points ( not mine as such but as conversation starters):

    Is it worth the hassle?
    Its dangerous on many levels ( piracy, lack of privacy, violence??, opens the door to all sorts of nastiness)
    what are you talking about the Internet saved my life?
    Loss of the ability to interface correctly with other humans, in face to face environment?
    Second Life anyone?
    The bastardisation of written language.
    Brings people together a la 'global village'

    Anyone??
    These are very pertinent questions for users of this or any other internet forum.
    In my view the internet, like any othe medium, can be a force for good or evil depending on your view of what constitutes those opposing entities.
    On th one hand we have the ability to communicate instantly with any other computer user in the world, on the other we are not communicating with our nearest and dearest as we did formerly because of it.
    We may find a second life through use of the internet but, as mentioned above, at the expense of the first.
    Yes, the bastardisation of the written language is well underweigh through use of the internet and it is ironic that the person responsible for this thread is also one whose mispelling is a noticeable features of her posts.
    There can be no doubt that the internet has created a "global village" in which we gladly participate. The problem arises when, as seems inevitable, th e village becomes the world community, with the inevitable reaction from those who wish to retain their individuality and not subscribe to an admixture of national, political, religious and racial differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade View Post
    So I have been wondering, aside from the fact that we are all obviously fairly heavy Internet social-networking users . How do you really stand on the issue that is the Internet?

    A couple of thoughts or rather view points ( not mine as such but as conversation starters):

    Is it worth the hassle?
    Its dangerous on many levels ( piracy, lack of privacy, violence??, opens the door to all sorts of nastiness)
    what are you talking about the Internet saved my life?
    Loss of the ability to interface correctly with other humans, in face to face environment?
    Second Life anyone?
    The bastardisation of written language.
    Brings people together a la 'global village'

    Anyone??
    Besides taking up all my free time and besides having to listen to my wife nagging that I'm on too much, I love it. I haven't seen the lack of privacy and violence issues. I guess someone can track you down by some of the information one lets out, but I don't think that's a major problem. I love the people I have met. Actually I have not even really met since this is all virtual. And it has given me a larger perspective on the various people in the world. I do not think the english language is any further bastardized by the internet than any other slang that occurs every day every where. Great thread and I enjoy this place and one other place I frequent. And what makes it great are the people. You guys oout there. You are all special. I've always considered every human being special. The internet has proven it to me.
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    This reminds me...

    I spent my student life writing essays on pros and cons of watching television (especially when I was learning English) so much so that by the time I graduated from the university, I could write one by heart without even having to think over it much.

    Now, it is the game consoles and the internet... And 20 years later, no doubt, it will be something else!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Bean View Post
    These are very pertinent questions for users of this or any other Internet forum.
    In my view the Internet, like any other medium, can be a force for good or evil depending on your view of what constitutes those opposing entities.

    On the one hand we have the ability to communicate instantly with any other computer user in the world, on the other we are not communicating with our nearest and dearest as we did formerly because of it.
    We may find a second life through use of the Internet but, as mentioned above, at the expense of the first.
    Well actually I was thinking more along the lines of at one point I was thinking in terms of smilies so even when I wanted to talk to people in RL I wanted to add smilies on the end of things.
    On the other hand before the litnet I did not interact with people in RL, at all really unless I absolutely had to. Oh I could talk the hind legs off a donkey if you asked me a question and I Knew the answer. sort of a bit like this ramble really. Information spouting Ive always been good at. But conversation, eh not so much. I'm not really that good at it yet. But the litnet definitely got me started and then I was able to think of things to say at work, and then interacting with all those people made good practise.
    Not as good as the litnet though, I can now hold my own in the most bizarre conversations and follow the most random tangents ( other than my own which I have always been able to follow because of course to me they are logical) which I never could have done before.
    Yes, the bastardisation of the written language is well under weigh through use of the Internet and it is ironic that the person responsible for this thread is also one whose mispelling is a noticeable features of her posts.
    I plead dyslexia-dyspracia on that one, in RL my handwriting is completely indecipherable even to me. And for the most part spell checkers throw up there hands in horror and refuse to give choices for correct spelling.
    *sigh* and sadly my super dylexia spell checker was on my other computer which has been *sobs* written off by PC world, following 18 months of reformats and dying and mysterious demon possesion. ( but Ive tried doubly hard for this post and its taken me almost an hour to get out. apopreciate it it doesn't happen often!
    There can be no doubt that the Internet has created a "global village" in which we gladly participate. The problem arises when, as seems inevitable, the village becomes the world community, with the inevitable reaction from those who wish to retain their individuality and not subscribe to an admixture of national, political, religious and racial differences.
    Which gives rise to a question, should the Internet be treated as a whole different domain? have its own separate laws and regulations and regulatory bodies, not tied to one country or another but rather of the nation that is the Internet, so that we are not tied to one countries laws or another?
    Quote Originally Posted by Virgil View Post
    Besides taking up all my free time and besides having to listen to my wife nagging that I'm on too much, I love it. I haven't seen the lack of privacy and violence issues.
    The privacy issue, is that nothing NOTHING you do on the Internet is not recorded you always leave a trail. The other day my flat mate was exclaiming over some pictures that were on the news about some people who were in court, but whose names couldn't be released. The pictures are also available on the Internet and basically who they were was uncovered by journalists through my-space and image searching. they had a picture of the dead person and looked for other pictures of the same person online and hey-presto they find all the people involved through linking.

    As to violence, the argument is that the Internet affords people the possibility of exercising violet tendencies or rather harbouring them and they go unnoticed till BOOM they do something big RL.
    I guess someone can track you down by some of the information one lets out, but I don't think that's a major problem.
    Its not really for most people but it can be. For instance ( and I'm talking in long ago premoderdom days, so no powers of any sort and I hadn't been to uni to study this stuff yet so was fairly naive. I payed attention to someone who I talked to a lot, and I manged to narrow down where they lived to a 4 block radius, figured out there class at university and a LARGE number of other details, and the poor person hadn't realised they had told me anything about themselves. In fact they were horrified when as a challenge I wrote a down all the things I knew about them. Now if I had been a nutso stalker I could have gone off and killed that person, but I am not and they are still very much alive and have come to no harm from me.
    I love the people I have met. Actually I have not even really met since this is all virtual. And it has given me a larger perspective on the various people in the world. I do not think the English language is any further bastardized by the Internet than any other slang that occurs every day every where. Great thread and I enjoy this place and one other place I frequent. And what makes it great are the people. You guys out there. You are all special. I've always considered every human being special. The Internet has proven it to me.
    See sometimes I think I forget everyone else is real, and not purely invented to entertain me. I am remind quickly enough ( at one point I had a post-it note above my screen that read "They are not inside your Head")

    Quote Originally Posted by Scheherazade View Post
    This reminds me...

    I spent my student life writing essays on pros and cons of watching television (especially when I was learning English) so much so that by the time I graduated from the university, I could write one by heart without even having to think over it much.

    Now, it is the game consoles and the Internet... And 20 years later, no doubt, it will be something else!

    Are you suggesting that I am *gasps* trying to get people to write essays because I am terminally bored. :brows:

    In all seriousness though, yes we do seem to blame the new media for all life's problems don't we?
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    Except for the porn, I have no use for the internet.

    And I'm tired of porn.

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    It's a good thing. It makes vast amount of knowledge available for free. It connects us across the whole globe.

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    The internet is good - most people on it aren't - sort of like the real world, only the trolling is intensified as trolls seem to move in packs, and use cowardly anonymous screen names. People essentially can do and say anything they want on the internet, since nobody can really trace them down, unless they are a government or a site owner (and if the person is any good on the internet, even those traces will be complicated and delayed).

    This site is particularly good - but just notice the amount of trash that floats around here by spammers before the threads are removed - that is a minor annoyance, but the problem is essentially everywhere - the whole design of connection essentially feeds the worst in people. Either way though, the internet is good as a connection to reality, not an alternative reality - that's the difference. That World of Warcraft game offers an alternative reality, whereas my linking up to a primary source which is available in e-text merely points toward a virtual rendition of a real item, with very little altered beyond the inconvenience of medium.

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    The internet is a useful tool, but a tool nonetheless - I can't just surf idly on it. As a repository of knowledge, it is unparalleled in scope and usefulness - that said, there is a lot of rubbish you have to wade through to find what you want. As a scholar of Old Norse, I know that when I'm trying to find texts online, I often have to dispense with dozens of awful websites set up by neo-pagan nitwits, all of whom have, without exception, no bloody idea. I think part of the internet's problem is that it is rapidly becoming mired in mindless gumph - we even see it here, in those interminable bots that create accounts and then make 30 odd posts advertising penis extensions or something equally banal.

    The internet's accessibility is its strongest selling point, but unfortunately means that it will always lack an aspect of quality-control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokasenna View Post
    I think part of the internet's problem is that it is rapidly becoming mired in mindless gumph - we even see it here, in those interminable bots that create accounts and then make 30 odd posts advertising penis extensions or something equally banal.

    The internet's accessibility is its strongest selling point, but unfortunately means that it will always lack an aspect of quality-control.
    I got to hear a talk by Tara Brabazon a couple of years back, she said that web 2.0 ( so basically forums blogs and the like) were the destruction of the Internet. Well she also ranted about google a bit.
    Her stuff is very interesting. Even though she absolutely LOATHES blogs and such, because it overloads the Internet with incorrect information and stupidity.
    Her words not mine.
    She is actually a really iuntrestiung speaker she jumps around and swings her arms and it was fascinating just to watch her.
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    Although i do see the dangers of the internet... many aspects of it have become part of my day to day life. over two and a half years ago i was hardly on the internet at all. then i was sick and had nothing better to do and all the wonders and horrors appeared. truth be told the wonders won out, and i think it is a wonderful creation.
    Forums, "global villages" are such welcoming communities... most of the time. Some of my greatest and dearest are people i have met online. It is a huge part of my life now, especially here.
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    My philosophy teacher used to say that to see the coming of the Internet when you're growing up would be something similar to growing up at Gutenbergs times - seeing how much faster information exchange became. He had a point there, I think.
    And it is very useful, not to mention entertaining.
    And one day it might just sprout consciousness. That would be quite something.
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    I have a love/hate relationship with the Internet.

    On a personal level, I love it because it's an incredibly useful tool. I find my music, guitar tabs and piano tabs, random information about subjects I am interested in, software downloads, online ordering/shipping for things like camera parts that I need, I can keep in touch with friends who live far away for far cheaper than it would cost me to use a telephone, and far more convenient than 'snail-mail'.

    I hate it because it limits my social contact in the day-to-day world. Too many people are unwilling to meet me face-to-face or pick up the telephone and call me to make plans. People seem more concerned with how many friends they have on Facebook than they do in real life. The internet is a dangerous thing for personalities... it's too easy for people to masquerade behind a confidence that they don't really have, to easily express an opinion that they wouldn't normally in a face-to-face conversation, to bully, flame and insult others. My rule is, if you don't have the balls to say it in reality, don't say it on the 'net.

    I've never been able to properly interact with people face-to-face, so I don't blame the net, haha... I even get shy online, so...

    I've met so many amazing people on the Internet, found my job overseas, maintained long distance friendships, etc. I don't blame the 'net for the decline in language: that was happening already, and was just exacerbated by the advent of the Internet and widespread usage. But the Internet is a tool, and must be viewed as such. It's there for both good and evil. Time wasting and time maximization, pornography or Lit-Net. It's all up to the user.
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    [QUOTE=Virgil;727133] I enjoy this place and one other place I frequent./QUOTE]

    The same goes for me Virg, my other place is Witherspoon's bar at Victoria Station, what's yours? I do hope it's not Ms. Fifi la Rue's massage parlour on 57th Street which, Iv'e been given to understand, caters for worn out internet males.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade View Post
    How do you really stand on the issue that is the Internet?
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade View Post
    Is it worth the hassle?
    it depends.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade View Post
    Its dangerous on many levels ( piracy, lack of privacy, violence??, opens the door to all sorts of nastiness)
    not that I know. (never suffered any of these things.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade View Post
    what are you talking about the Internet saved my life?
    no way!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade View Post
    Loss of the ability to interface correctly with other humans, in face to face environment?
    actually, I'm to the opinion that internet exercises my ability of making arguments ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade View Post
    Second Life anyone?
    almost. but it didn't work out when I met her personally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade View Post
    The bastardisation of written language.
    not at all, in MY case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade View Post
    Brings people together a la 'global village'
    sometimes I get scared to have friends in Scotland, in the Caribbean Islands, in the Philippines, in Australia, in ... you name it. (Greece!, how to forget that! ... Portugal, Argentina. Sampaulo (Brasil), whom I never new. New York .. (Newyorkers, though, are a bit like the Cariocas, they're a bit too superficial ..).~

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