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    Shakespeare was Italian, from Messina.

    Michelagnolo Florio was the real identity of William Shakespeare (Guglielmo Crollalanza from Messina).



    Do you know it ?

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    Yes, and Dante was a French merchant named Jean d'Aquitaine. Seriously, why even bother?

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    There are all the evidences you need.
    The theory is based on the detailed knowledge of Italy shown in the plays, on the istruction that shown in the plays (very hard to abmit for a glover's son!) and others biographic elements (as the name William Shakespeare that is the english translation of Guglielmo Crollalanza).

    If you want can watch this video (Sorry for you, it's in italian the original language of Shakespeare/Crollalanza!)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoYln...eature=related

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    How does Crollalanza become Shakespeare.

    Parlo un po, ma non capisco questa stupidità. Perché creda, quando non é abbastanza evidenza?

    What proof is there, besides a bunch of names of cities - Shakespeare's plays hardly even approach Italian culture, let alone understand it.

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    Michelangelo Florio wrote a dialectal comedy “Tantu trafficu ppi nenti”, many years ago of “Much about to do” (lecteral traduction of "Tantu trafficu ppi nenti") that is the same!

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    Crolla or Scrolla is the italian word for Shake
    Lanza is the medieval for Lancia that is the italian word for Speare.

    Quote Originally Posted by JBI View Post
    How does Crollalanza become Shakespeare.

    Parlo un po, ma non capisco questa stupidità. Perché creda, quando non é abbastanza evidenza?

    There're many other evidences, exspecially biograpichs elements.

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    This reminds me of an instance where someone on Facebook tried claiming that Barack Obama was V from V for Vendetta.
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    Utter balderdash.
    "I should only believe in a God that would know how to dance. And when I saw my devil, I found him serious, thorough, profound, solemn: he was the spirit of gravity- through him all things fall. Not by wrath, but by laughter, do we slay. Come, let us slay the spirit of gravity!" - Nietzsche

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    It's not too amazing if Shakespeare was an italian, noble writer, of '500.

    It's amazing if a glover's son wrote "Antonio e Cleopatra", "Il Mercante di Venezia", etc.


    What english licterature producted in '500-'600 ?
    Nothing.

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    Really, there are hundreds of conspiracy theories surrounding Shakespeare and none of them are plausible.

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    Is very plausible that he was a son of a glover, that left the school at 10, that he knew italian geographics places, uses and histories he never viewed or heard.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Neely View Post
    Really, there are hundreds of conspiracy theories surrounding Shakespeare and none of them are plausible.

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    is there an implication in the theory that shakespeare had detailed knowledge of things that a glover would not?
    the plays are hardly detailed and certainly not accurate in their beckgrounds. eg. everyone in europe knew the jews were kept in ghettos. thats what ghettos were.

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    Your is not a deep analisys...
    Quote Originally Posted by chrismythoi View Post
    is there an implication in the theory that shakespeare had detailed knowledge of things that a glover would not?
    the plays are hardly detailed and certainly not accurate in their beckgrounds. eg. everyone in europe knew the jews were kept in ghettos. thats what ghettos were.
    Shakespeare/Crollalanza wrote about places like Messina (birthplace of Crollalanza), Verona and many others, not big, italian places, impossible to know for his times.

    All places that a semi-analphabetical man of Stratford-upon Avon never knew.

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    The father of Michelagnelo Florio Crollalanza was jewish.
    Quote Originally Posted by chrismythoi View Post
    everyone in europe knew the jews were kept in ghettos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimo View Post
    Is very plausible that he was a son of a glover, that left the school at 10, that he knew italian geographics places, uses and histories he never viewed or heard.....
    Shakespeare was well grounded in classical grammar and literature, especially his beloved Ovid, from a fairly respectable local school. The fact that he was a "son of a glover" does not mean anything other than the fact that his father was a glover! Talent, aptitude or genius does not solely belong to the upper classes, not then or now.

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