Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 17

Thread: I need Help Again

  1. #1
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    59

    I need Help Again

    Hi guys. I would like to thank sitiram and scherezede for their helpful insights into the metaphor. Thanks... it really helped.

    This time ive been asked to either focus on a short story writer and write a piece on their work or compare two short stories in terms of structure, themes, symbolism and son on.

    Here are my choices

    Shirley Jacksons The lottery

    Yellow Wallpaper Charlotte Gilman Perkins

    Metamorphosis- Kafka

    The snowstorm -pushkin

    The day we got drunk on cake- William Trevor

    The off shore pirates- F scott Fitzgerald

    Out of these stories which ones do you suggest would be better to compare. If u know anything about them that is.

    Many thanks.

    Maljackson

  2. #2
    You have started me thinking about comparisons of authors. Let us speak for a while about authors and comparisons in general, and get in a literary comparison mood.

    Milan Kundera, in "The Art of the Novel" makes a wonderful comparison between Cervantes, "Don Quixote," and Kafka, "The Castle." Kundera claims that the two authors mark the beginning and end of an entire era, characterized in its beginning by a wonderful freedom to sally forth to a neighboring kingdom and choose one's enemies and adventures, and charaterized in its end by a nightmarish absence of freedom in the prison of a totalitarian bureaucracy where one's 'adventure' is not self-imposed but surrounds one, uninvited, and robs one of all freedom and choice, and even the individuality of a name (the protagonist of the Castle is simply "K").

    Here is a WONDERFUL site for you to dig into on Kafka, AND it is geared towards the student writing a paper.

    http://www.kafka.org/



    «He has the feeling that merely by being alive he is blocking his own
    way. From this sense of hindrance, in turn, he deduces the proof that
    he is alive» - Kafka (Aphorisms)

    http://www.kafka.org/index.php?help

    I have been receiving such requests by email so often that I can hardly
    keep ignoring them. However, I really do not have the time to help all
    young people who need suggestions on how to get something written
    about some work by Kafka.

    As concerning one of Kafka's most known stories, «The
    Metamorphosis», I prepared a Special Issue which can be opened by
    clicking on the left navigation bar. In general, what I can do is suggest
    here some books about Kafka and his work, but I strongly recommend
    reading his novels and stories first and most of all. You will enjoy
    them, and writing about him will no longer be a boring dirty job.

    http://www.kafka.org/index.php?issue_metamorphosis


    Special issue: The Metamorphosis.

    English Translations, Essays, Student Papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Essay Topics
    Essay Topics for Kafka's Metamorphosis

    1. Comment on the significance of the title "The Metamorphosis."

    2. Construct an interpretation of The Metamorphosis based on your account of why Gregor Samsa "found himself in his bed transformed into a monstrous vermin."

    3. What role do the boarders play in The Metamorphosis?

    4. Compare the metamorphosis of Gregor Samsa with the awakening of Edna Pontellier.

    5. Can Freud's notions of Eros and the death instinct illuminate Gregor's plight?
    Gregor Samsa as Functional Deviant. A Hypothetical Interpretation by
    Friedrich Nietzsche

    http://www.kafka.org/index.php?id=191,208,0,0,1,0

    Quote Originally Posted by What Nietzsche Might have said

    (This is an hypothetical conjecture of what Nietzsche might say)

    (excerpt):

    Suppose all that you have always valued in your lives was shown to
    you to be: illusion. What would it be like to turn truth on her head?
    To have your precious beliefs, maxims, platitudes, and traditions
    inverted and distorted beyond recognition? To suddenly realize that
    what is good, is bad; what is beauty, is foul; what is virtue, vice?


    What if all your points of reference were to shift: North becomes
    South; black becomes white; deviant becomes saint; saint
    becomes deviant.

    Suppose that this transformation--a metamorphosis of perception
    were to come to you -- and you alone. Suddenly you awake -- and
    in utter solitude -- you discover that the world is its opposite.

    Two realities strike you all at once: One, you define yourself in
    terms of your values. With your values now reversed, so too are
    you reversed: you are a roach! Two, what you have become is
    apparent to everyone else.

    Gregor Samsa has burrowed his way out of the value set that
    defined his social setting. The metamorphosis was inevitable. Look
    at where his values were anchored: servant to the needs of an
    oppressive boss in order to meet the needs of an exploitive family.

    So, he ceases to serve. With new values opposing those of the
    family, the employer, and society at large, Gregor emerges as a
    deviant. He has entered the world of the despised.

    Never forget, my friends, that "truth" is in the eye of the beholder. In
    Gregor's world the despised and the beloved are reversed.

    Franz Kafka is a new thinker -- one of that breed I spoke to you
    about 100 years ago. Gregor Samsa is his agent. Never forget my
    brilliant words about such men in Beyond Good and Evil: "The
    philosopher, being of necessity a man of tomorrow and the day
    after tomorrow, has always found himself, and had to find himself,
    in contradiction to his today: his enemy was ever the ideal of today
    (Section 212, BGE)."

    So, I Friedrich, will now tell you what my philosophic friend Franz
    finds so fascinating about Gregor the bug!

    ...

    "Gregor Samsa woke up one morning changed into a monstrous
    vermin:" Really? You think so? "Gregor's eyes turned to the
    window, and the overcast weather---completely depressed him." If
    you suddenly found yourself in Gregor's shoes--six shoes to be
    exact--would the weather be your first concern?


    ...

    Remember my words: "He shall be greatest who can be lonliest,
    the most concealed, the most deviant, the human being beyond
    good and evil, the master of his virtues, he that is overrich in will.
    Precisely this shall be called greatness; being capable of being as
    manifold as whole, as ample as full. (BGE 212)"


    Lecture on "The Metamorphosis" by Vladimir Nabokov

    http://www.kafka.org/index.php?id=191,209,0,0,1,0

    TAKING ART SERIOUSLY

    Quote Originally Posted by Nabokov
    Of course, no matter how keenly, how admirably, a story, a piece of music, a picture is discussed and analyzed, there will be minds that remain blank and spines that remain unkindled. "To take upon us the mystery of things"—what King Lear so wistfully says for himself and for Cordelia—this is also my suggestion for everyone who takes art seriously. A poor man is robbed of his overcoat (Gogol's "The Greatcoat," or more correctly "The Carrick"); another poor fellow is turned into a beetle (Kafka's "The Metamorphosis)—so what?

    ...

    Where there is beauty there is pity for the simple reason that beauty must die: beauty always dies, the manner dies with the matter, the world dies with the individual.

    If Kafka's "The Metamorphosis" strikes anyone as something more than an entomological fantasy, then I congratulate him on having joined the ranks of good and great readers.


    Kafka: Die Verwandlung (1912)

    El kafkiano caso de la Verwandlung que Borges jamás tradujo. By

    Fernando Sorrentino

    «Macht er sich einen Narren aus uns?» by Friedgard Thoma

    The Metamorphosis. By G.S. Trujillo (English version)

    The Metamorphosis. By G.S. Trujillo (Spanish version)

    Some thoughts about The Metamorphosis. By B. Herzog

    The Metamorphosis: A Strange, Strange Book

    An Essay On 'The Metamorphosis'

    The Dependence and Freedom of Kafka's 'Metamorphosis'

    Franz Kafka’s personal life reflected in the Metamorphosis

    An Explanation of The Metamorphosis

    A For Apple
    Last edited by Sitaram; 02-21-2005 at 12:43 PM.

  3. #3
    I AM PUTTING THIS NEXT QUOTE from the above Nietzsche-like essay BY ITSELF in order to highlight it in your attention and ask that you compare it with my post in the Religion Texts Forum, regarding Orthodoxy and Heresy,

    http://www.online-literature.com/for...ead.php?t=3958

    where it states that, curiously, it is often the HERESY (or deviance) which comes first and then INSPIRES the formulation of an ORTHODOXY to combat it and refute it.


    Quote Originally Posted by How DEVIANCE defines DECENCY
    Society is an association of institutions held together by a set of
    artificial values. You like to call them "truths." I say they are masks -
    - but never mind. Your prestige in your society is measured by the
    degree to which you choose to conform to its values. When you
    conform you are close to the norm. If you deviate from the norm,
    you are a deviant. But beware. Deviation is met with indignation.
    But deviation and deviants are essential for your survival.

    Here's where I, Friedrich, come in. You see no one knows where
    the norm is! Why? There is no truth! The deviant defines the norm
    for you. The norm is established with reference to the deviant. In a
    world without crime you would have to invent crime. Oh, I know
    how much you 90's people rail against crime and justice and
    criminals--I read your electronic musings--but believe me, without
    crime you would be lost souls with no reference to good or
    evil...dare I say you would be beyond good and evil?

    In your society your deviant subgroups become isolated from the
    main group because you insist judging everything the deviant does
    as a further manifestation or proof of the deviance. In fact the label
    itself defines the deviant individual.

    Because individuals so defined tend to become isolated and
    alienated from your main culture, individuals with common
    "deviant" characteristics define their own separate sub-cultures.
    These sub-cultures in turn may differentiate too, generating their
    own versions of deviance within deviance and new sub-sub-
    cultures form.

    Remember that the cohesion of your society depends on these
    deviant groups as reliable points of reference. The more firmly you
    believe in the "truth" of their deviance, the more faith you have in
    the steadiness of your "values." Because you define deviance in
    terms of masks--you call them moral principles (one ought not to
    deviate), deviant individuals and the subcultures to which they
    belong can and often do become targets for social oppression. You
    despise them, but you cannot exist without them.

    This all serves an important social function. Let's say you as a
    social group adhere to the moral principle, "one ought to behave
    within the law." Under such a belief "outlaws" are deviant. Outlaws
    are a threat to your security. You form a mental model of what an
    outlaw is like: a certain stereotype emerges. Outlaws reveal
    themselves by their dress, language, and habits. You and I know
    this is not always true about outlaws, but the stereotype provides
    some comfort to you. Of course if you are an outlaw and
    comfortable as one, adopting the dress, language, and
    mannerisms of the stereotype may make you feel at home with
    your outlaw peers, and comfortable as a member of an outlaw
    subculture. You have exaggerated cultural examples of this in your
    portrayals of outlaws: prohibition gangsters, old western movie
    villains, Mafia operatives, outlaw motorcycle gangs.

    You even use age as a basis for referencing deviation to a norm.
    To some extent young people (teens in particular) and very old
    people tend to occupy sub-cultural niches in which they feel
    comfortable because they have become isolated from the main
    social group. Teens and old people do deviate from the norm with
    respect to age. But the very label "teen" or "old" carries a whole
    catalogue of behavioral expectations for you. You know the
    stereotypes: teens are rebellious and careless. Old people are
    senile and unreliable. Whether true or not, the behavior, dress and
    mannerisms of young and old people are seen by the main group
    as further evidence of the stereotype. These age based social
    reference points help anchor your social norm: that of the ideal,
    reliable and conforming, middle aged conformer. The deviants:
    teens and old people in turn tend to cluster within cultural sub-
    groups in which they mirror common forms of dress, behavior and
    mannerisms.
    Last edited by Sitaram; 02-21-2005 at 12:25 PM.

  4. #4
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    59
    sitaram

    im a student at a university in london but im currently in a foreign country.

    I kind of understand what they want me to do but if i give you this link can u read it and tell me what u think they want from me for this essay?

    i would be very grateful.

    all my mates are airheads.

    i obviously understand what it wants me to do but your insight might be useful.
    Last edited by Maljackson; 02-22-2005 at 12:40 PM.

  5. #5
    It sounds to me like you have an ENORMOUS degree of latitude and freedom in choosing your topic and how you shall proceed.

    If this is indeed the case, then it occurs to me that I may post for you those links to my site where I discuss various authors and works. You should be able to get many ideas.

    I suggest that we lay out a schedule of you shall proceed.

    Stage 1 will be YOU reading through various links that we shall provide.

    Stage 2, YOU will settle upon an author or authors and some approach, and you will outline your thoughts as to what you will investigate and the goals you hope to achieve.

    Stage 3, WE shall deliberate regarding your choice and outline and make suggestions and criticizms.

    Stage 4, YOU shall post a rough first draft.


    NOW, if there is some objection on anyone's part to do all of this HERE on this forum, well, then you can email me, I shall post this ongoing tutorial at my site, and people shall be free to read it there. But I do think that it is most useful for the many students around the world, who are constantly faced with such assignments, to see the ANATOMY OF AN ESSAY. Such a use of the Internet is really the Internet at it's best!

    HERE are some links from my site, to give you some ideas:

    The Universal Form (the spatio-temporal montage)
    http://toosmallforsupernova.org/page019.htm

    An Occurance at Owl Creek Bridge
    http://toosmallforsupernova.org/page024.htm

    With a Keen Literary Eye
    http://toosmallforsupernova.org/page030.htm

    Tell Me A Story
    http://toosmallforsupernova.org/page021.htm
    Last edited by Sitaram; 02-21-2005 at 11:22 AM.

  6. #6
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    59
    Your help is greatly recieved.

    Thank you very much

    But i have bad news

    I must decide in under 2 hours what i want to do.

    I really like the lottery by shirley jackson but i also like the others.

    Im in trouble !

    i should never of left it so late.

    I must submit my chosen topic very soon.

  7. #7
    Oy Vey !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

  8. #8
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    59
    lol.

    U seem to have dug some very intresting information on kafka's metemorphosis.

    In relation to kafka...would it be possible for me to compare him with shirly jackson?

  9. #9
    OK, lets take a deep breath, calm down, and do some quick thinking.

    Since you have procrastinated and got yourself into something of a pickle (as Laurel and Hardy would say) I think you should pick an author that has LOTS of material available on the internet, rather than someone who is more obscure. The reason for making your choice based on available Internet material is that you will have a LOT of help for ideas, by reading through it. As you can see, there is LOTS of material on Kafka. In a way, Kafka is a "writer's writer" since people like Kundera and Nabokov speak of Kafka at great length. On the other hand, there is no shortage of readers who despise Kafka (or are simply indifferent to him).

    Well, I hope you have learned a lesson about being proactive and avoiding procrastination. Perhaps those lessons are the most important ones that any student learns in any educational institution. These are the lessons of life.

    Whatever choice you make, you must live with it. Do let us know. You promptly vanished into thin air after our last tutorial session. It amazes me that young people can be so indifferent when such opportunities for help and learning are available to them on the internet.

  10. #10
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    59
    sitaram

    do you know anything about the other writers i posted?

  11. #11
    One may compare Santa Claus with Zeus. Many things are possible. As St. Paul said, "all things are possible, but not all things are profitable" (or something like that).

    I must become familar with Shirley (heavens no, not in the carnal sense, in the LITERARY sense!)

    You know, your name does not have to be Sitaram for you to use google.com

    http://www.mostweb.cc/Classics/Jackson/

    An Essay on "The Lottery"

    http://www.netwood.net/~kosenko/jackson.html


    Quote Originally Posted by Essay on The Lottery
    http://www.netwood.net/~kosenko/jackson.html

    (excerpt):

    A survey of what little has been written about "The Lottery" reveals two general critical attitudes: first, that it is about man's ineradicable primitive aggressivity, or what Cleanth Brooks and Robert Penn Warren call his "all-too-human tendency to seize upon a scapegoat"; second, that it describes man's victimization by, in Helen Nebeker's words, "unexamined and unchanging traditions which he could easily change if he only realized their implications."5 Missing from both of these approaches, however, is a careful analysis of the abundance of social detail that links the lottery to the ordinary social practices of the village. No mere "irrational" tradition, the lottery is an ideological mechanism. It serves to reinforce the village's hierarchical social order by instilling the villages with an unconscious fear that if they resist this order they might be selected in the next lottery. In the process of creating this fear, it also reproduces the ideology necessary for the smooth functioning of that social order, despite its inherent inequities. What is surprising in the work of an author who has never been identified as a Marxist is that this social order and ideology are essentially capitalist.
    Last edited by Sitaram; 02-21-2005 at 11:55 AM.

  12. #12
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    59
    Are u suggesting i concentrate solely on kafka?

    Do i even need to compare?

    So many questions are going through my mind

  13. #13
    hmmm.... what you are saying is that the paper which you posted which outlines the requirements of your assignment is not clear to you. I read through it very quickly. I shall go back and re-read it. But at first glance, it looks like you can concentrate on only one author, if you so choose. If you choose to compare TWO authors, why then, you double your work and your difficulty, and judging by your past track record with procrastination and, well, shall we simply say a lack of inspiration and leave it at that?

    Who was it who said something about "desparate times call for desparate measures."

    Don't bite off more than you can chew....

    Also, keep in mind, that I am on line with three different messengers, if you should need something more real time. Though whatever we do together, I would like it to go somewhere on the net so that it may help as many others as possible.

  14. #14
    I also hope you realize, by now, that I constantly edit my posts, to add more ideas, so it is worth your while to "reload" the link and re-read. In general, it is a good idea to re-read things, to gain a better understanding.

  15. #15
    GOOD LORD! As I re-read your assignment, it says you can even write YOUR OWN short story, accompanied by your analysis of the story! Why are you hung up on the notion that it is necessary to COMPARE two stories/authors?
    Last edited by Sitaram; 02-21-2005 at 01:37 PM.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •