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    Exclamation Morally ambigious characters in 1984

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    While O'Brien is essential to the story, he only has a small part in it, mostly centred around Room 101.

    Skim over the time Julia and Winston spend at O'Brien's house - that's where he convinces them to join the Brotherhood and where the moral ambiguity starts. He gets W&J to agree to kill, maim and torture for their own ends, while later on, O'Brien turns that back on Winston in Room 101.
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    Check thread Room 101 on the top of the page; it will be much clearer to you.
    Shortly, he denies love for Julia and that's BB's win over him.
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    re: my thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGGeR LoVeR View Post
    so do you suggest i change my character for my topic??
    Not at all - O'Brien's easy. His morality only extends to the needs of the Party; he has subjugated himself to nothing more than a piece of the Party machine itself.

    Just compare his [lack of] morality to that of Winston, who believes that his morality is absolute until they strap on the rat cage.
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    Im still a bit lost/confused

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    Exclamation I need help/suggestions/ideas

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGGeR LoVeR View Post
    I have in mind to discuss how winston is stuggling to free himself from the power of big brother & the party...is this a good idea??
    If it seems a good idea to you, it probably is. The better you understand the subject, the better you'll write on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by TiGGeR LoVeR View Post
    The thing is, even if i do switch topics i still have to get those 5 quotes from the novel to support my arguement
    They're so easy, I'll spot you a couple. Your page numbers will be different.

    Chapter 1, 6th paragraph: "Winston turned his back to the telescreen..." That's the first inkling that he's trying to reduce the power the Party has over him.

    Chapter 1 again, towards the end: "DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER" Pretty self-explanatory.

    Chapter 4, 8th paragraph: "But actually, he thought as he adjusted the Ministry of Plenty's figures..." Here, Winston is learning about the manipulation of facts to enhance/preserve power.

    His relationship with Julia is another place to find plenty of good bits for that.

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