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    amor fati CognitiveArtist's Avatar
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    Scripture and Spirituality

    The relationship between scripture (religious texts) and spirituality has always interested me. How important is the 'accuracy' or 'precision' of scripture? Also does scripture have a special relationship to truth (or Truth)? I found an interesting piece on this topic by the philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein discussing Christianity and the Danish religious man and philosopher Soren Kierkegaard:
    Kierkegaard writes: If Christianity were so easy and cosy
    (German: gemütlich), why should God in his Scriptures have set
    Heaven and Earth in motion and threatened ETERNAL punishment?
    Question: But in that case why is this Scripture so unclear? If
    we want to warn someone of a terrible danger, do we go about it
    by telling him a riddle whose solution will be the warning? - But
    who is to say that the Scripture really is unclear? Isn't it
    possible that it was essential in this case to 'tell a riddle'?
    And that, on the other hand, giving a more direct warning would
    necessarily have had the WRONG effect? God has FOUR people
    recount the life of his incarnate Son, in each case differently
    and with inconsistencies - but might we not say: It is important
    that this narrative should not be more than quite averagely
    historically plausible JUST SO THAT this should not be taken as
    the essential, decisive thing? So that the LETTER should not be
    believed more strongly than is proper and the SPIRIT may receive
    its dure. I.e.what you are supposed to see cannot be
    communicated even by the best and most accurate historian; and
    THEREFORE a mediocre account suffices, is even to be
    preferred. For that too can tell you what you are supposed to be
    told. (Roughly in the way a mediocre stage set can be better
    than a sophisticated one, painted trees better than real ones, -
    because these might distract attention from what matters.) The
    Spirit puts what is essential, essential for your life, into
    these words. The point is precisely that you are only SUPPOSED to
    see clearly what appears clearly even in THIS representation. (I
    am not sure how far all this is exactly in the spirit of
    Kierkegaard.)
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    Is there a concern with scripture that it, the medium, will become the focal point instead of the message? Is there a case of the tail wagging the dog with scripture and spirituality? It is clear that scripture can support and nourish spirituality, yet in my life scripture I think is at best an inspiration of spirituality. Also, I believe there are other inspirations.

    Although Wittgenstein was concerned with Christian spirituality and the possibility of being a Christian if a person didn't religiously (excuse the terrible pun) follow scripture, as Kierkegaard also thought, I'm wondering about all spiritualities and their relationships to scripture. So feel free to post if there is a lot of discussion upon Christian spirituality, as the input is invited. Thanks

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    Spirituality and scriptures are polar opposites.

    “Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””

    “If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blazeofglory View Post
    Spirituality and scriptures are polar opposites.
    That's how I feel on some days, but I don't think scripture or religious text completely precludes spirituality. In the least, I think scripture can often effectively activate the spiritual lives of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CognitiveArtist View Post
    I believe there are other inspirations.
    Hi CognitiveArtist,

    I do too. Scripture has never been a spiritual motivator for me. I guess my impending, unavoidable death is the prime mover for seeking truth. And other things, like the amazing discoveries of science (those provided by the Hubble telescope for example or the confirmation of ice on Mars just yesterday). Or something less tangible like love.

    I know this is a bending of your topic Cog, and I apologize. Your post did, however, get me wondering about inspiration and what is the prime spiritual mover in other folks.

    Doug
    “The air was soft, the stars so fine, the promise of every cobbled alley so great that I thought I was in a dream.” -Jack Kerouac

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wintermute View Post
    Hi CognitiveArtist,

    I do too. Scripture has never been a spiritual motivator for me. I guess my impending, unavoidable death is the prime mover for seeking truth. And other things, like the amazing discoveries of science (those provided by the Hubble telescope for example or the confirmation of ice on Mars just yesterday). Or something less tangible like love.

    I know this is a bending of your topic Cog, and I apologize. Your post did, however, get me wondering about inspiration and what is the prime spiritual mover in other folks.

    Doug
    Hi Doug,

    Thanks for your post, it wasn't off point at all. What motivates one's spirituality was my central curiosity to spawning this thread. I am interested in the interaction of scripture with spirituality, yet as I said I don't think scripture is all that interacts with spirituality.

    Science is another interesting influence upon spiritual life. I bought a telescope because astronomy and even views of the night sky without equipment has always pleased me. I recently learned that the moon is incredibly close to the Earth when you consider the regular distance between a planet and its satellites. If we were on Mars for instance we'd just see two little spots, whereas we can see unique phases of our moon. Also I heard that the tides the moon creates could have facilitated life moving from water to land, pretty much forming life as we know it. The enchantment of realising these phenomena is of course special, but knowing that we can understand these intricacies and details I also find deeply inspiring. Knowing that there are scores of people around the world learning such sophisticated science I find a spiritual experience. What we can know and think, instead of just believe, I find a unique spiritual source.

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    Are we spiritual because we read a certain text, or we read a certain text (in a certain way) because we are spiritual?
    Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CognitiveArtist View Post
    That's how I feel on some days, but I don't think scripture or religious text completely precludes spirituality. In the least, I think scripture can often effectively activate the spiritual lives of people.
    Scriptures if are not conflicting can activate spirituality or else they do not.

    “Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””

    “If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.

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