Science: The new religion

[Miao]

I love Science, it is the only thing I am really good at and the best way to aim for a little Change in this messed up world... still I miss the mystic taste of the all good days and all the things I used to believe that i dont anymore. Even more preocupiying Life is slowly loosing its poetry as the new modern world of technology and the really high demanding pace of this society takes me away from my roots and brainwashes gradually.

I am an agonistic towards everything related to the supernatural or divine and I am also very critical about science. However, the more I read and learn the less I rely on "religious faith" and the more I look forward towards the credibility of the "scientific Proof". I have to confess that I have never dedicated enough research and study to state anything in favor or against either of them but I still considered both a bit too edgy...

I read a nice debate about the subject in the book belief or non-belief? and lately I have been in touch with the writings of both philosopher existentialist Kierkegaard (writings of profound faith) the Great thinker Nietzsche in Humans all too humans and finally (lots of Skepticism) Carl Sagan stressing out the burden of proof in Broca's Brain...

I am very interested in the whole new science business and its uncertainties as the true knowledge that is changing our world and although I have already kind of conclued the whole issue to myself with a very different perspective I would like to hear what people who like to analyze these themes like you could add and recommend to a better understanding and judgment of this new "truthful sacred doctrine" that makes miracles on its own:
Science

Science is great!?
If it succeeds and the whole world becomes science literate it is going to save our planet, our resources, is going to enable us to go into space, cure all diseases, save people, make genetically "perfect individuals", and create an "utopian world". Sounds a lot like the paradise God promised once, with no diseases, healthy crops and animals, saintly people. The irony is the only thing that changes is the way it sounds; they have absolutely the same objective. Just a change of semantics and methods and we have lots of believers again. I guess it had to be understandable through experimentation, lots of brain power and a matter of chances. From my opinion although the principles and ethics of religion were good, i think they became a powerful weapon that only left our world in misery... the crusades, the crimes of the early church, the inquisition, the dark ages, Joan of Arch,and we had finally WWI, WWII, and i am sure there are lots more... I really dont want to find out how powerful of a weapon Science might be if its fully development was to land on the hands of a Second Hitler or a Nuclear Lunatic Bush...

I read Oryx and Crake, 1984 and brave new world...(awesome books) they are fiction but I think they have a potential vision... or am i just going a little crazy right now??

Oh Ford... Oh Crakers... Oh brave new world!

The fool says in his heart “there is no God”
Psalm 14, 1-2

[Stanislaw]

People had their perfect world, however they committed the original sin, the tree in the centre of the garden of eden, and have remained cursed ever since. And how is it that whenever science is forwarded it is at the cost of many lives, and morality?

I am not a bible thumper, however science is not of God.

[imthefoolonthehill]

Stanislaw.... uh... no... just.... no.

It can be persuasively argued that God and Science not only co-exist, but lead to each other.

as for science being a religion, perhaps secular humanism would be a better term for this 'religion'... (thats the theology thats being taught in most classrooms today)

[seeker]

Stanislaw.... uh... no... just.... no.

It can be persuasively argued that God and Science not only co-exist, but lead to each other.

as for science being a religion, perhaps secular humanism would be a better term for this 'religion'... (thats the theology thats being taught in most classrooms today)

i couldnt have said it better

[Johnmc]

The problem with trusting in science is that it is based only on partial knowledge. As advanced as our society has become and the depth of knowledge that has been uncovered, discovered and attained is still only a miniscule fragment of the whole truth. Science has a great deal of value in that it strives to reveal the true nature of things, but too many scientists claim to know more than they really do, postulating theories based on partial and often disputable evidence. Evolution is a prime example. A theory that has become widely believed, which, when you examine the evidence, actually has little factual basis. Most of the evidence that claims to prove the evolutionary theory is based on geological evidence and molecular evidence that we have a highly limited understanding of. Despite the great strides in molecular science, genetics, and microbiology, we are eons from truly understanding how the simplest forms of life came into existence. And the geological evidence is so scarce I am amased at the arogance shown by some scientists who have reconstructed entire skeletons of these prehistoric animals from one or two fossilized bones. The dating methods are also full of assumption, did you know that a lava rock produce by Mount St Helens in 1980, tested in 2000 was reported to be between 100 and 200 thousand years old, when it was known to be only 20 years.
Science is a tool to be used and appreciated, but like all things human, it is falible. Science will give us a greater understanding of the nature of our existence, but in revealing the ultimate truths of the universe, I am afraid that all human endevors will alway fall short.

[Stanislaw]

Science, is a general term, and it uasually refers to those woh would contradict God. Many try to use science to disprove religions, if science was holy, why would God want to disprove himself?

[baddad]

Unlike the poor animal in the dream sequence in 'Crime and Punishment', I may have flogged this horse before, but it still keeps getting up......so without further ado...I shall strike again!

....I am assuming that the term 'religion', as it is being used in this thread refers to spirituality, an individual trait wholly disconnected from organized religion, organized religion being a creation by men supposing a superiority of knowledge above others, which I deny has any value other than inviting divisiveness between human beings.
I also assume, though I've accused man's headlong rush of acceptance these last 200 years as startlingly naive, that science has become less of a 'GOD' and more of a comfort allowing us to deny any involvement when/if things go wrong with said 'science'.

Do I have a point? Finally, yes. Religion is anthropogenic, and is not spirituality. Spirituality is wholesome, and a natural consequence of man's innate curiosity, as is science, science exemplifying man's innate need to expand his knowledge base. And as for science versus spirituality.....this knockdown bout shall never happen other than in intellectual/academic circles because the two have no common root, purpose, or end point. Science and spirituality run paralel, not counter-to each other.
Okay, I've just realized this is a soapbox I'm standing on, and not a dead horse.............

[seeker]

Science, is a general term, and it uasually refers to those woh would contradict God. Many try to use science to disprove religions, if science was holy, why would God want to disprove himself?

i am a Christian so ill try to put this in your terms:

science meerly the word used to describe God's creation.

as for trying to disprove religions, many myths have been disposed of due to science, but religion goes deeper than myths. if you fear science then that puts into quesiton the strength of Him who you call God.

if in your mind God and science cannot stand together then you display to others a weak God who is meerly a myth.


i wonder why we call it beating a horse... either way, they never seem to be beaten ino extinction. what a shame.

[Stanislaw]

I am not saying that God fears science, what I am saying is that science is infact a tool of great evil, or atleast has its roots in evil.
Yes science may be used to prolong life, but many use science to cling to life and allow themselves to indulge in Earthly pleasures for a longer period of time, an example of this would be viagra, and other such cosmetic products, their is no truly good cause fuling those creations.

[the mooring]

the science guides us to the really God ,because God who creates every thing he creates also "the science" , so science is just a slave for really God
especially in our age which full of inventions and new discoverments ,we will find that all these discoverments are mentioned in abook of the really God ,this book have been revealed and given to the uneducated prophet before 1425 years ,

the science and "the scientific miracles in the koran" will be great witnesses for the really God
regaaaaaaaaaaaaaards

[seeker]

just out of curiosity, are you a member of christian science group?

perhaps when science saves the life of a loved yours you will feel differently.

[Sakkarah]

Science is what will bring us either closer to God or to the Devil, just as religion has. And which ever way you choose to take, science or religion, it will bring you closer to self realization.

[Stanislaw]

Science, I believe was perhaps created by God, afterall he created everything. However it has been corrupted, like Satan.

Science, has saved many of my loved ones, and has murdered a great deal more, (aushwitz WWII)

[Sakkarah]

Cursed penicillin, cursed crop rotation, that which givith life also taketh away? Science is what's physical? Religion is an ideal. You can kill either by gun, or by hand. Its not what you use to kill its why you kill. The Nazis? mythological religion based hatred; NOT scientifically sound. Science will lead to immortality and unlimited knowledge limited only by the finite matter of space and matter through time and when we have no ability to kill or pretentious assurtion to base the justification of the elimination of another then all will be moral all will be just all will be Gods or Devils.
Forgive spelling errors, they do not matter.

[Stanislaw]

actually the nazis decided to systematically the jewish people, and others, based on Hitlers childhood, antisemitism ( very popular in europe) and a need to get rid of political enemies.

and Monkeys, are you calling us monkeys? , and like I said befor science is just used to prolong life in this world, prolong suffering and hate. not to mention the nazis used their victims for scientific research, bringing nazism into the debate is a moot point, it doesn't prove or disprove anything.