Nietzsche

[bazarov]

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. "
Friedrich Nietzsche

I know who, but where did he say that? Google wasn't too helpful.

[XY&Z]

Jenseits von Gut und Böse AKA Beyond Good and Evil

[bazarov]

Can you please tell me on what page, if you know? I don't have english version of etext so I can't find it.

Thanks.

[XY&Z]

I was wrong. It's not there.

It's not in neither one of these:
Also Sprach Zarathustra

The Antichrist

Beyond Good and Evil

Ecce Homo

Homer and Classical Philology

Thoughts out of Season, part 1,

Thus Spake Zarathustra
A Book for All and None

We Philologists, Volume 8

Now it could be in Schopenhauer as Educator but I'm not sure anymore.

I’m sorry.

[hyperborean]

I forgot where it is as well.

[dramasnot6]

Hmmm..don't know but it is a good one.

[Dark Star]

He spoke quite a bit about loneliness and rising above the others in Thus Spoke Zarathustra if I recall, however, I'm not as educated on his work as I should be so that may have been a common topic for him.

[Mortis Anarchy]

I'm pretty sure it is in Thus Spoke Zarathustra...I don't have my copy with me, but I'm pretty sure it is in it...

[Quark]

He spoke quite a bit about loneliness and rising above the others in Thus Spoke Zarathustra if I recall, however, I'm not as educated on his work as I should be so that may have been a common topic for him.

Nietzsche wrote a large amount about rising above others. He argued that if the powerful cannot attain dominance in society, then they should seclude themselves from the stupidity of the crowd. In Beyond Good and Evil, he says "Every superior human yearns for a secret citadel where he is set free from the crowd. Where he may forget "men who are the rule," and be their exception. Anyone who, in intercourse with men, does not occasionally glisten green and grey with disgust and sympathy, is certainly no man of elevated tastes." This theme is also apparent in Thus Spoke Zarathustra when the prophet explains the idea of the Superman. And, it is easy to see how someone obsessed with transcending the ordinary person would find himself lonely. While Nietzsche himself was not able to express this loneliness, he praised it in other's works. For example, he lauded Wagner's music for its poignant rendering of isolation.

[Quark]

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. "
Friedrich Nietzsche

I know who, but where did he say that? Google wasn't too helpful.

I believe that's Twilight of the Idols. Maybe.

[Dark Star]

While Nietzsche himself was not able to express this loneliness, he praised it in other's works. For example, he lauded Wagner's music for its poignant rendering of isolation.

This would explain his love of Dostoevsky's work. That man could certainly generate some characters who were profoundly lonely.

[aquamoonmaiden]

I quickly scanned through THE WILL TO POWER but couldn't find it. I'm almost certain it's in there.

Cheers,
Jessica

[kiowhatta]

It is undoubtedly a Nietzschean quote and in line with his views on 'the herd morality', as well as master/slave ressentiment.

Reportedly this quote comes via Rudyard Kipling and has been misappropriated for some time, which is terribly disappointing if true, as it is one of my favourite Friedrich quotes.

[kiowhatta]

It is undoubtedly a Nietzschean quote and in line with his views on 'the herd morality', as well as master/slave ressentiment.

Reportedly this quote comes via Rudyard Kipling and has been misappropriated for some time, which is terribly disappointing if true, as it is one of my favourite Friedrich quotes.

[Ecurb]

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. "
Friedrich Nietzsche

I'm not well versed in Nietzsche,but without the "tribe" mentality, we would hardly be human. Philosophy, science, history and religion would all be impossible (or very different) without language, which is a cultural accretion developed by the tribe and for the tribe. I'm not sure what "owning ourselves" means, but whatever it means we couldn't even be our self without the tribe and what it has given us. We would be someone else.