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    If you teach a monkey how to write, does he have rights?

    I once ask this question and it generated many amusing responses.
    I was just wondering what kind of response will I get in this forum.

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    humph. here in California they have rights regardless. A "retirement home" for chimpanzees who were in showbiz has been officially opened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andave_ya View Post
    humph. here in California they have rights regardless. A "retirement home" for chimpanzees who were in showbiz has been officially opened.
    Hahah thats classic

    "If you teach a monkey how to write, does he have rights? " well for me to declare it to be given "human" rights would be morally presumptuious, but what about "God Givin" rights, one could argue that a so called monkey is a creature of God as we all are, and perhaps that the monkey should indeed have certain moral rights so as that it would be in their right to deserve the same equal treatment as humans gain from danger ect.

    just my 2 cents. . .
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    Does the monkey churn out pulpy junk, or does he or she write fine literature?
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    Quote Originally Posted by audiobahn53 View Post
    Hahah thats classic

    "If you teach a monkey how to write, does he have rights? " well for me to declare it to be given "human" rights would be morally presumptuious, but what about "God Givin" rights, one could argue that a so called monkey is a creature of God as we all are, and perhaps that the monkey should indeed have certain moral rights so as that it would be in their right to deserve the same equal treatment as humans gain from danger ect.

    just my 2 cents. . .
    You remind me of someone who uses the signature two cents. Not sure who though.

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    I like your thinking I will add it to my signiture!
    just my 2 cents. . .

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    Teaching one how to "write" has got nothing to do with "rights". I would not mind treating a monkey kindly whether he/she knows how to write or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensive View Post
    Teaching a person how to "write" has got nothing to do with "rights".
    What does then?
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    What does then?
    Their existence gives them rights. You can't deny rights to an illiterate person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensive View Post
    Their existence gives them rights. You can't deny rights to an illiterate person.
    I see.

    Existence = Rights.

    Bacteria Exists=They have rights?
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    I see.

    Existence = Rights.

    Bacteria Exists=They have rights?
    Yes. They exist. They have rights. Earth is letting them stay on it as much as it lets us. They are in their eyes "correct" as well. But they are harming us, that's why we don't tend to give them rights. Think how much rights would a chicken like to allow us to have? You see we eat chicken (many of us). And anyway, teaching them how to "write" has got nothing to do with "rights".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensive View Post
    Yes. They exist. They have rights.
    What about Stones and Bricks? :-)


    They are in their eyes "correct" as well.
    In Stones eyes too?

    What about atoms, and quarks and glouns and higgs bosons - they exist :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lote-Tree View Post
    What about atoms, and quarks and glouns and higgs bosons - they exist :-)
    not higgs bosons by the looks of things.
    maybe they only get basic rights
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lote-Tree View Post
    What about Stones and Bricks? :-)

    In Stones eyes too?

    What about atoms, and quarks and glouns and higgs bosons - they exist :-)
    They don't exist in a living condition. And anyway you can't teach a stone to write. All I mean here is that you can't judge whether to give one rights or not on the basis one his literacy. In other words it means the people in Early Age shouldn't have been given rights? They didn't know how to read or write.
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