No kidding? I used to live in Pullman.Originally Posted by MaryLupin
Thanks for the link references, I'll check them out. I agree with what you said about the comfort of knowledge of the earth's history. There's no reason to fret that it won't always be habitable to us, but comfort in the knowledge that it isn't going to change any time soon, that we have millions of years. You know, unless we do it ourselves.
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We are human and we control the earth. We manipulate nature.
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Beavers do a very good job of controling nature. Possibly it was made for beavers? As do spruce trees -- they start large fires for reproduction. Spruce trees? I don't know, they can't even move, what stupid trees, this planet can't be for them!
I answer this question with my pagan views that humans are the caretakers of the land, which does not give us the right to pilfer, loot and destroy the land for capitalistic ends. God bless the Sun King!
[QUOTE=Derringer;424372]Well, good for the beavers, but I would hardly characterize it as a "very good job." Next time the beavers can build a structure such as these, let me know. I'd like to examine the qulaity of the steel they manufactured:
Destroy the lands for capitalist ends? Do you know what environmental disasters the soviet union was? It seems to me they tried just as much to control nature for their communist ends and because their economic system was a failure they didn't have the resources to devote to keeping the environment green. That should be a lesson to most radical environmentalist, but I suspect most are socialist anyway. Go figure.I answer this question with my pagan views that humans are the caretakers of the land, which does not give us the right to pilfer, loot and destroy the land for capitalistic ends. God bless the Sun King!
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Wellpinit. You been camping along the Snake River? There used to be magnolia trees there before the rise of the coastal mountains. Can you imagine the Palouse a sub-tropical paradise? The changes in that landscape from mountain building, the ice dam and the basalt floods is amazing.
I've always found it rather exciting to remember that there is a difference between what we experience and what we think it means.
[QUOTE=Virgil;424419]Actually, I would consider it an extremely good job. Beavers are very prosperous animals. Beaver is happy and content. Why would a beaver create such a large building? It has no reason.
Don't confuse my paganism with communism. Turtle scorns you. Don't confuse Stalinism/Leninism or Maoism with Communism. Don't confuse Communism with Marxism, or even Socialism. Why don't I say that Mormonism = Protestantism, or all Christians are Pacifists and every Moslem a terrorist? It's based on a book written by Karl Marx, and is therefore open to interpretation and results in a bunch of 'isms'.Destroy the lands for capitalist ends? Do you know what environmental disasters the soviet union was? It seems to me they tried just as much to control nature for their communist ends and because their economic system was a failure they didn't have the resources to devote to keeping the environment green. That should be a lesson to most radical environmentalist, but I suspect most are socialist anyway. Go figure.
I'm not really jivin' with you -- > So it's ok to destroy the land? Would you like to go whooping crane hunting as well? I'm sure we could make a buck or two. Bald Eagles are worth lots! serious! I thought Jesus said be humble, not greedy. Let's go waste!
Don't get me wrong, beavers are nice animals, but I hardly think you would want to live as a beaver. And I'm sure you don't.
You're the one that brought up capitalism in contradistinction to whatever you profess. I don't know what exactly you're trying to say. I don't see how paganism either supports or opposes any economic system, whether capitalism or socialism. Ancient pagan Rome of the first and second centuries had quite a developed free market, capitalist economy.Don't confuse my paganism with communism. Turtle scorns you. Don't confuse Stalinism/Leninism or Maoism with Communism. Don't confuse Communism with Marxism, or even Socialism. Why don't I say that Mormonism = Protestantism, or all Christians are Pacifists and every Moslem a terrorist? It's based on a book written by Karl Marx, and is therefore open to interpretation and results in a bunch of 'isms'.
Read my post (#45 in this thread). I state that I support conservation of nature and wildlife. What I'm opposed to is the philosophic notion that man is subserviant to nature. I believe it is the opposite, and not because of any religious reason. I believe that people's standards of living are improved by man's control of nature. I believe that people lead happier, healthier lives because we control nature. In all this debate i haven't even brought up modern medicine as a means of controlling nature. Today we have a life expectancy of over 80. If you want to live like a beaver, then you could expect to live, like primitive man did, to about 20 to 25 years.I'm not really jivin' with you -- > So it's ok to destroy the land? Would you like to go whooping crane hunting as well? I'm sure we could make a buck or two. Bald Eagles are worth lots! serious! I thought Jesus said be humble, not greedy. Let's go waste!
LET THERE BE LIGHT
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yep, and it makes a pretty good job of it. it offers a very plausible explanation and arrives at an answer without recourse to God. which seems to indicated that the concept of God doesn't have any significant explanatory value for this question. so what's wrong with leaving God out of the equation, unless one believes in him anyway?
And just as a sidenote, notice humans are the only species on the planet arguing whether they control nature, or not. Our friends the beavers aren't out there passing out flyers for no strip malls, or save the rainforest. We are the only species intellectual enough to think about such things...shouldn't that say something???
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, wherby they lie in wait to decieve; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into Him in all things, which is the head, even Christ. Ephesians 4:14-15
hehe, maybe the reason beavers don't build huge structures like these is because they don't have a phallic complex?
yep, the soviet union destroyed loads of environment. one of the reasons was theat they didn't not really develop any alternative to industrialism. the only difference between their economy and the Western economy at that time was the distribution of resources, but the underlying ideas where the same: to control nature. they didn't develop any alternative lifestyle, their goal was rapid industrialization, catching up with the west. the only difference was that it was all state-controlled as opposed to private ownership and businesses.
Last edited by SleepyWitch; 08-07-2007 at 04:11 PM.
Well, the last time I was there I was just thinking about climates, and how rain would turn any place into a rainforest...or actually that was in a part of Cali. But yeah it would be cool, definitely. And sadly, I never camped out there, though I heard talk of Snake River while I lived there. I only went hiking one mountain and fishing up north a couple of times, probably would have got to Snake River eventually.
Hahahaha.hehe, maybe the reason beavers don't build huge structures like these is because they don't have a phallic complex?
Last edited by Virgil; 08-07-2007 at 08:33 PM.
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