Will feminist succeed dismantling patriarchy?

[dan020350]

When patriarchy is demolish, won't there still be patriarchy? That is women as masculine, and men as cowards?

[Bakiryu]

How can a woman be masculine?!

Patriarchy has been around almost as long as humans, it's gonna last. The more we can hope is equality and with such close-minded views in our schools, it's not going to happen in ours or our children's generations.

Men are already cowards, as they have been for thousand of years (no offense to the few brave ones in the bunch).

[dan020350]

So feminist movements are in vain?

[Bakiryu]

No. It's a worthwhile cause to fight for what you know it's right. Little things may change and help in the end to end this patriachal society but it's not going to happen NOW. wE'LL KEEP ON FOGHTING THOUGHT!

[dan020350]

If it is worthwhile, why don't you join the feminist movement? Unless you are not in the side of the right? :P

[cuppajoe_9]

When patriarchy is demolish, won't there still be patriarchy? That is women as masculine, and men as cowards?

First off: that's a complete and total misuderstanding of the entire movement. Second, that would be a matriarchy.

[kathycf]

When patriarchy is demolish, won't there still be patriarchy? That is women as masculine, and men as cowards?

The word "coward" is defined thusly:
Noun 1. coward - a person who shows fear or timidity

Related word cowardice: the trait of lacking courage

How will feminism make men cowards?

Men are already cowards, as they have been for thousand of years

Cowardice cannot be determined by sex. It is fruitless to argue traits such as cowardice (or conversely courage) are based on whether a person happens to have their reproductive organs on the outside or the inside.

It really doesn't work to make sweeping generalizations, whether about men OR women.

[cuppajoe_9]

The word "coward" is defined thusly:
Noun 1. coward - a person who shows fear or timidity

Related word cowardice: the trait of lacking courage

How will feminism make men cowards?

We're terrified of women with rights

[kathycf]

We're terrified of women with rights

Well, sure. Womenfolks had better stick to mopping floors and birthing babies, then.

[Virgil]

I knew when I saw the title of this thread there would be some passionate responses.

[Nossa]

First off: that's a complete and total misuderstanding of the entire movement. Second, that would be a matriarchy.

I agree. It's not about who dominates, because if it's about women's domination, then it's a huge contradiction in the basic of the whole movement, when you don't want men to dominate, you can't create a movement that its aim is doing the same thing, just the only difference is the gender!
I don't think we should regard the whole issue as in who's dominating, we should regard it by considering the equality and fairness in treatment, for bother genders, none should dominate the other, they should rather complete and cooperate with each other. I never believed that the problem should be narrowed to Men vs Women thing, it's not a war...and neither shold be afraid of the other's rights. But then again, this is easier said than done, of course.

[Orionsbelt]

Brave!

since the two words represent two things that are so variable in the day to day lives of most folks, I would say ....two eddies in the river.. neither will catch the other they will only play together for a while.

[Redzeppelin]

Men are already cowards, as they have been for thousand of years.

Oh that's nice. Men get crucified for making generalizations about women like this. What makes this comment acceptable?

We're terrified of women with rights

Some maybe; others, no.

I think men are less afraid of women with rights than they are of women who decide that their equality negates masculinity and its own particular strengths. To examine entertainment/media attitudes, one would get the idea that women are the only intelligent beings on the planet and that their particular gifts are the only ones necessary for the survival of civilization (hence articles in years past from the APA essentially saying that men are unnecessary in the parenting process). Women who think that way - well yes, they are scary because they decide that men are nothing more than "oppressors" to whom women should never, ever give even an inch of compromise to because any compromise to a man at all is REPRESSION. We become ridiculed in TV sitcoms and adolescent T-shirts ("Boys are yucky - throw rocks at them") and any protest is shouted down by "you pigs have been in control long enough."

It's not rights we fear - it is the use of those rights to bash us over the head.

[kathycf]

I don't think we should regard the whole issue as in who's dominating, we should regard it by considering the equality and fairness in treatment, for bother genders, none should dominate the other, they should rather complete and cooperate with each other. I never believed that the problem should be narrowed to Men vs Women thing, it's not a war...and neither shold be afraid of the other's rights. But then again, this is easier said than done, of course.

Very well said, Nossa. That has always been my understanding of feminism as well. To me, it is about equality, and by definition equality cannot mean "superior to". I am always puzzled by people who consider "feminist" to be some sort of expletive; a nasty label.

I probably shouldn't have made a silly joke earlier, I do understand that some people (not just men) are threatened by feminism.

[Orionsbelt]

Well,

Here is the challenge... Define feminism..
then define patriarchy.