The Scientific Miracles

[rinard]

I’m not a religious but astonished to know that Quran contains unbelievable scientific facts discovered just in the last century.

This is really amazing.

· Astronomy!
· Mountains!
· Human Embryology!
· Oceans And Seas!
· The Movement Of Clouds!
· The Cerebrum!
· The Shape Of The Earth!
· The Expansion Of The Universe!
· The Sensory Characteristic Of The Skin!
· Formation Of Iron!
· The Lowest Part On The Face Of The Earth!
· The Sequence Of Day And Night!
· The Snow Age!
· New Diseases!
· Cnn Top Ten Discoveries Of 1998

You can find more info of the Scientists Declaration on the following sites:
http://www.islampedia.com/ijaz/Html/..._All/Index.htm

http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1.htm
http://www.science4islam.com/
http://islamicity.com/science/
http://www.islamland.org/articles1/a006.htm

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http://www.islampedia.com/ijaz/Html/..._All/Index.htm

Scientists Declaration

· Keith L.Moore
· E. Marshall Johnson
· T.V.N. Persaud
· Joe Leigh Simpson
· Gerald C. Goeringer
· Alfred Kroner
· Yushidi Kusan
· Professor Armstrong
· William Hay
· Durja Rao
· Professor Siaveda
· Tejatat Tejasen
· Dr. Maurice Bucaille


Thread moved to Religious Texts from General Chat.

[IWilKikU]

And I'm no forum moderater, but I'm astonished that your *** hasn't gotten banned for spamming!!!

[Logos]

IWilKikU, rinard is sharing links to other sites. He doesn't get banned for this.

[Stanislaw]

Whats wrong with his post, it is an interesting topic, worthy of discussion?

[rinard]

Maybe because of these scientific miracles Islam becomes the fastest-growing religion in America and in the world? Although religion is no longer dominates everyday life in Western society.


A NATION CHALLENGED: AMERICAN MUSLIMS; Islam Attracts Converts By the Thousand, Drawn Before and After Attacks
By JODI WILGOREN
Source: The New York Times: October 22, 2001, Monday
Section: National Desk

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/3016/fastest.htm

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people..." Hillary Rodman Clinton, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3

Famous people are affected too:

Singer "Cat Stevens" Hear his story as told him
http://www.islamtomorrow.net/converts/yusuf_islam.htm

[den]

Heh, and here I thought they were their own `gods'.

Famous people are affected too:

[IWilKikU]

I apologize. I thought rinard was showing up to post one post and than dissapearing after he advertised the above websites. That happens from time to time. Sorry

[Logos]

There is no immediate commercial value/solicitation tone to the links that rinard posted.


"Spam is unsolicited e-mail or posts, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail."

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=spam

[crisaor]

Originally posted by rinard
Maybe because of these scientific miracles Islam becomes the fastest-growing religion in America and in the world? Although religion is no longer dominates everyday life in Western society.

Is that so? I would have thought quite the opposite, with the media around the world telling how bad the muslim terrorists are, and all that crap.

[Stanislaw]

I am of the same mind set as crisor, I thought that religion was getting a pretty bad rap lately.

[rinard]

Islam is a religion, not a terrorist group. The media classifies Muslims as "terrorists," "highjackers" and "kidnappers." So why would anyone even look at Islam? Why are so many priests and preachers going to Islam?

David Karesh was a Christian, shall we ban all Christian momentous?
When you compare all of Islam to these terrorists, you essentially say every Sunday clothed bible reading Christian is a Branch Dividian fundamentalist. The linking of such actions to Islam or the Qur’an is incorrect. Rather, such inhumane actions clearly contradict the teachings of Islam - just as the bombing at Oklahoma City by Timothy McVeigh and the killings that occurred at Abraham Mosque, Hebron - Philistine by Dr. Baruch Goldstein clearly contradict the teachings of Christianity and Judaism, respectively.

[IWilKikU]

Karesh recruited at my College!

[rinard]

From what I've heard from different friends of mine who have converted to Islam, there are a few main reasons for most conversions.

1. Islam is a religious lifestyle, not just a quick Sunday morning church visit and a label. Although some Christians do pray before each meal and spend much time with their Bible, etc.many don't in the USA. Islam is something that can't be shunted into a few spare hours. You pray five times a day. Your dress code is affected; even your food choices are explained in the Qur'an. Many converts like it because they feel actively involved and as if they are truly religious.

2. For women, it is a big and welcome change from the "in your face" sexuality of western culture. Women are not required by the Qur'an to veil. They are required to dress modestly and it is *recommended* that they cover their hair. However, most do veil and some go farther with niquab (the face screen) or other traditional clothes. Women dressed like this consider themselves marked as religious women, not easy dates. They don't get hit on. No one gawks at their bodies. They are clearly off limits sexually and many that I personally know say it is liberating not to have to conform to western standards of sexy dress, makeup and spending so much time and money on appearance. You buy a five-dollar hijab, put your hair in a ponytail and cover, wear long skirt and a tunic shirt -you're set.

3. Islam is also growing because many people are not satisfied with Christianity. They feel it is too liberal, too fluid and changes for the culture. Islam on the other hand is more rigid and does not as a whole allow much for modern changes and the whims of society. Many like it because they feel other religions have loose standards.

That's what I got from the new Muslimah's group at Yahoo, Islamway women's board and a few other friends of mine. Stats taken by many college groups say that women convert 4 times more often then men.


This is an example:


Why Are Women Turning to Islam
At a time when Islam is faced with hostile media coverage particularly where the status of women in Islam is concerned, it may be quite surprising to learn that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and even more ironic to discover that the majority of converts to Islam are WOMEN.
The status of women is society is neither a new issue nor is it a fully settled one, and where Islam is mentioned, for many the term 'Muslim Women' prompts images of exhausted mothers chained to the stove, 'victims' suppressed in a life of indoctrination, frantic to be westernized and so on. Others will go to great lengths to explain how the hijaab is an obstacle, clouding the mind, and comment that female converts are either brainwashed, stupid or traitors to their sex. I reject such accusations and pose to them the following question: why is it that so many women who have been born and brought in the so called 'civilized' societies of Europe and America are willing to reject their 'liberty' and 'independence' to embrace a religion that supposedly oppresses them and is widely assumed to be prejudicial to them?
As a Christian convert to Islam, I can only present my personal experience and reasons for rejecting the 'freedom' that women claim to have in this society in favor of the only Religion that truly liberates women by giving us a status and position, which is completely unique when compared with that of non-Muslim counterparts. Before coming to Islam, I had strong feminist tendencies and recognized that where the women was concerned, a lot of shuffling around had been going on, yet without being able to pin her on the social map. The problem was ongoing: new 'women's issues' being raised without the previous ones being satisfactorily resolved. Like the many women who shared my background, I would accuse Islam of being a sexist religion, discriminating, oppressing and giving men the greater privileges. All this coming from a person who did not even know Islam, one who had been blinded due to ignorance and had accepted this deliberately distorted definition of Islam.

However, despite my criticisms of Islam, inwardly I wasn't satisfied with my own status as a woman in this society. It seemed to me that society would define such terms as 'liberty' and 'freedom' and then these definitions were accepted by women without us even attempting to question or challenge them. There was clearly a great contradiction between what women were told in theory and what actually happens in practice. The more I pondered, the greater emptiness I felt within. I was slowly beginning to reach a stage where my dissatisfaction with my status as a women in this society, was really a reflection of my greater dissatisfaction with society itself. Everything seemed to be degenerating backwards, despite the claims that the 2000 was going to be the decade of success and prosperity. Something vital seemed to be missing from my life and nothing would fill this vacuum. Being a Christian did not do anything for me, and I began to question the validity of only remembering God one day a week - Sundays! As with many other Christians too, I had become disillusioned with the hypocrisy of the Church and was becoming increasingly unhappy with the concept of Trinity and the deification of Jesus. Eventually, I began to look into Islam. At first, I was only interested in looking at those issues, which specifically dealt with women. I was surprised. What I read and learned taught me a lot about myself as a woman, and also about where the real oppression of women lies: in every other system and way of life outside of Islam. Muslim women have been given their rights in every aspect of the religion with clear definitions of their role in society - as had men - with no injustice against either of them. As Allah says: Whoever does deeds of righteousness, be they male or female, and have faith, they will enter paradise and not the least injustice will be done to them [Nisaa 4:124]
So having amended my misconceptions about the true status of women in Islam, I was now looking further. I wanted to find that thing which was going to fill the vacuum in my life. My attention was drawn towards the beliefs and practices of Islam. It was only through establishing the fundamentals that I would understand where to turn and what to prioritize. These are often the areas, which receive little attention or controversy in society, and when studying the Islamic Creed, it becomes clear why this is the case: such concise, faultless and wholly comprehensive details cannot be found elsewhere.

[Jessika]

At first, I was only interested in looking at those issues, which specifically dealt with women. I was surprised. What I read and learned taught me a lot about myself as a woman, and also about where the real oppression of women lies: in every other system and way of life outside of Islam. Muslim women have been given their rights in every aspect of the religion with clear definitions of their role in society - as had men - with no injustice against either of them.

And so, what is the role of women in the Islam?

Another question, i ask it in general, do you need to believe in a religion in order to be satisfied with your life? ('cos i did believe in a religion when i was a child but not anymore now)
i don't think so. Moreover, do you need to get told your position/role in life from a religion? What if you only want to live as you consider the right way?

Maybe i'm missing your point, i dont know, may be i have misunderstood what you have posted, but i can't find a real answer why women are converting to Islam. Could you please make that more clear to me? or may be i should read your post better

Anyway, it is interesting that women are the ones who convert 4 times more than men. I would like to know why and from what religion they convert and most important, what they think.

2. For women, it is a big and welcome change from the "in your face" sexuality of western culture. Women are not required by the Qur'an to veil. They are required to dress modestly and it is *recommended* that they cover their hair. However, most do veil and some go farther with niquab (the face screen) or other traditional clothes. Women dressed like this consider themselves marked as religious women, not easy dates. They don't get hit on. No one gawks at their bodies. They are clearly off limits sexually and many that I personally know say it is liberating not to have to conform to western standards of sexy dress, makeup and spending so much time and money on appearance. You buy a five-dollar hijab, put your hair in a ponytail and cover, wear long skirt and a tunic shirt -you're set.

Sorry but i find this a very very weak reason for converting to any religion.
That would be a possible reason -also- for women becoming nuns in catholic countries? i dont know, i dont think it is a real reason to convert to any religion.
By the way, if you dont want to "conform to western standards of sexy dress, makeup and spending so much time and money on appearance", just dont follow up these standards. It is not compulsory!!
Really, I dont see the relation to converting to any religion because of that.

3. Islam is also growing because many people are not satisfied with Christianity. They feel it is too liberal, too fluid and changes for the culture. Islam on the other hand is more rigid and does not as a whole allow much for modern changes and the whims of society. Many like it because they feel other religions have loose standards.

Ahm.. sorry.. Christianity too liberal? I think gays and lesbians won't agree with that. Nor raped women who are not allowed to abort. Nor african people dying of AIDS because the -at least- Catholic Church doesn't allow the use of condoms..

Anyway, what is society if not changing through time? That's the way to advance (it can result a positive or negative change, but any change means knowledge of our human situation. We learn from our mistakes). Maybe that's why i dont really like religions too much (though i respect them): they are too conservative, opposed to the changes of human beings (thoughts, feelings.. ways of live.. )

PD: when writing this i'm particularly thinking about Catholic/Christian and Islamic religions.

[atiguhya padma]

In D J Taylor's recent biography of Orwell, he says that Orwell correctly saw that one of the main problems with the 20th C was that it had largely abandoned the notion of God and religion, and had unsuccessfully tried to replace the spiritual void that such abandonment had created, with political systems, ie totalitarianism, which of course had failed.

Now here is my point: the growth of the Islamic faith in Western society is probably a manifestation of the absence of rigid belief systems in our everyday lives. It is as if we need to believe in something universal and greater than us, and as Christianity has become more liberal, so people entrench themselves in fundamentalism.

One thing that seems characteristic of Islam, from what little I know of it, is that it seems incredibly rule-based. It is probably one of the most disciplinarian of religious systems of thought. I once saw a documentary on UK TV about the rise of Islam in America, and all the interviewees (who had crossed over from xtianity to Islam) focussed on the benefits of rules and regulations in everyday life. Of course what this really means is that people don't want to think for themselves. They are intellectually lazy.

I have now come to accept that as a race we will never become sufficiently adult to abandon religious belief systems in any significant numbers, and take responsibility ourselves. In the end, we will have to encourage/discourage the lesser of the religious evils.

Regarding the role of women in this conversion, it does seem to me rather inexplicable why such numbers of women are turning to Islam, but then, I have seen this claim in a number of articles and documentaries, and am inclined to believe it.

AP