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    Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

    Dear Group Members,

    I want to share an article with you. This is about the link between Mind and Social / Environmental-Issues. The article examines why Writers, Poets and Artists experience more emotion than other people - and would be of interest to members of this forum. The fast-paced, consumerist lifestyle of Industrial Society is causing exponential rise in psychological problems besides destroying the environment. All issues are interlinked. Our Minds cannot be peaceful when attention-spans are down to nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds. Our Minds cannot be peaceful if we destroy Nature.

    Thank you,
    Sushil Yadav

    Please note : The article has been written in short sentences rather than paragraph-form because it is about subjective experience / emotion/ reduction of thought.

    Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment.

    Subject : In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.
    Subject : A thinking mind cannot feel.
    Subject : Scientific/ Industrial/ Financial thinking destroys the planet.
    Subject : Environment can never be saved as long as cities exist.

    Emotion is what we experience during gaps in our thinking.

    If there are no gaps there is no emotion.

    Today people are thinking all the time and are mistaking thought (words/ language) for emotion.

    When society switches-over from physical work (agriculture) to mental work (scientific/ industrial/ financial/ fast visuals/ fast words ) the speed of thinking keeps on accelerating and the gaps between thinking go on decreasing.

    There comes a time when there are almost no gaps.

    People become incapable of experiencing/ tolerating gaps.

    Emotion ends.

    Man becomes machine.

    A society that speeds up mentally experiences every mental slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.

    A ( travelling )society that speeds up physically experiences every physical slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.

    A society that entertains itself daily experiences every non-entertaining moment as Depression / Anxiety.





    I am trying to get the following experiment conducted in a psychophysiology/ bio-chemistry laboratory.

    There is a link between visual / verbal speed ( in perception, memory,
    imagery ) and the bio-chemical state of the brain and the body.

    Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual and verbal processing
    associated with the emotion slows down ( stops / freezes ).

    The degree of difficulty of an emotion depends upon the degree of
    freezing (of visuals and words ) required to intensify and sustain that
    particular emotion.


    Subjects (preferably actors specialising in tragedy / tragic roles )
    will be asked to watch a silent video film showing any of the

    (1) Human suffering.
    (2) Animal suffering.
    (3) Suffering ( Destruction ) of Air / Water / Land / Trees.

    Subjects will be asked to intensify and sustain the subjective feeling of pain/ grief for the sufferer.

    The chemical changes associated with the emotion in the body(blood) would be measured by appropriate methods.

    The silent video film will be shown at different speeds :
    (1) 125% of actual speed.
    (2) Actual/real speed.
    (3) 75% of actual speed.
    (4) 50% of actual speed.
    (5) 25% of actual speed.

    Results :

    (1) Intensity of emotion increases with the decrease in visual speed.
    (2) Intensity of emotion is maximum when visual speed is minimum (25%
    of actual speed)

    (3) The amount of chemical change associated with the emotion in the
    body(blood) will be found to increase with the decrease in visual speed.

    (4) The chemical change is maximum when visual speed is minimum.
    (5) The amount of chemical change will increase with the decrease in
    breathing rate. Breathing becomes so slow and non-rhythmic that it stops
    for some time at the inhalation/ exhalation stages.

    The above co-relations will be valid for all subjects -even for those who cannot feel pain/ grief. Such subjects will experience emotion associated with boredom/ discomfort/ restlessness/ irritability/ uneasiness. The chemicals released will be different but the co-relation between visual speed and amount of chemical will be same( the breathing rates will be different/ fast).
    All subjects will experience some kind of emotion.

    [If scientists can discover 4000 different chemicals in cigarette-smoke then they can certainly detect the few chemicals released in blood when weexperience higher-level emotions like pain, empathy, compassion, remorse etc… ]

    In the 2nd stage of experiment we shall replace the silent video film with a Narrator ( Audio only ) and repeat the procedure thereby establishing the link between intensity of emotion and verbal speed. The narrator will slow down verbal speed by-- speaking slowly, stretching words, repetition of words/ sentences & making use of
    pause/ silence between words.

    Please note:
    While this statement is generally true for all emotions, it is
    particularly true for all painful emotions.

    (2) In a society in which visual ( verbal ) speed and breathing- rates
    are fast , pain / remorse / empathy cannot be experienced. It is

    Proof of the link between pain and slow visuals / words :-

    In the last century man has made thousands of movies / films on various
    themes / subjects. Whenever pain / tragedy is shown in any film the
    visuals ( scenes ) and words ( dialogues ) are always slowed down. In
    many films tragedy is shown in slow motion. At the most intense moment
    of pain the films almost become static / stationary.

    Tragedy-films provide direct proof / evidence of the link between pain
    and slowness.

    Pain can intensify / sustain only when visual ( and verbal ) speed slows
    down( stops/ freezes).


    One thousand years ago visuals would change only when man physically
    moved himself to a new place or when other people ( animals / birds )
    and objects ( clouds / water ) physically moved themselves before him.

    Today man sits in front of TV / Computer and watches the rapidly
    changing visuals / audio.

    He sits in a vehicle ( car / train / bus ) and as it moves he watches
    the rapidly changing visuals.

    He turns the pages of a book / newspaper / magazine and sees many
    visuals / text in a short span.


    In ancient times verbal processing was “live” in nature—ie it happened when people actually spoke.
    Today there is non-stop verbal processing inside the mind through print and electronic media ( newspapers, books, magazines, radio, television, computer etc…) as a result of which the verbal content & speed has increased thousands of times.

    The speed of visuals ( and words ) has increased so much during the last
    one hundred years that today the human brain has become incapable of
    focussing on slow visuals /words through perception, memory, imagery.

    If we cannot focus on slow visuals / words we cannot experience emotions
    associated with slow visuals /words.

    Before the advent of Industrial Revolution Man's thinking was primarily
    limited to :

    (a) visual processing ( slow visuals )
    (b) verbal / language processing ( slow words )

    Today there are many kinds of fast thinking :

    (1) visual processing ( fast visuals )
    (2) verbal / language processing ( fast words )
    (3) Scientific / Technical thinking ( fast )
    (4) Industrial thinking ( fast )
    (5) Business thinking ( fast )


    As long as the mind is doing this kind of thinking it cannot feel any
    emotion - not an iota of emotion.

    In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.
    In a thinking ( scientific / industrial ) society emotion itself becomes extinct.

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    article continued.

    There are certain categories of people who feel more emotion (subjective experience ) than others.

    If we attempt to understand why (and how ) they feel more emotion we can learn a lot about emotion.

    Writers, poets, actors, painters ( and other artists )

    Writers do verbal ( and associated visual) processing whole day- every day.
    They do slow verbal ( and associated visual) processing every day.
    (A novel that we read in 2 hours might have taken 2 years to write. This is also the reason why the reader can never feel the intensity & duration of emotion experienced by the writer )

    Poets do verbal ( and associated visual ) processing whole day- every day.
    There is more emotion in poetry than in prose.
    This happens because there are very few words ( and associated visuals ) in poetry than in any other kind of writing.
    There is a very high degree of freezing / slowing down of visuals & words in poetry.

    Actors do verbal ( and associated visual ) processing whole day- every day. During shooting / rehearsal they repeat the dialogues ( words ) again and again ( the associated visuals / scenes also get repeated along with the dialogues )

    Painters do visual ( and associated verbal ) processing whole day- every day.
    They do extremely slow visual processing - The visual on the canvas changes only when the painter adds to what already exists on the canvas.

    There are some important points to be noted :

    All these people do visual & verbal processing - whole day - every day.
    They do slow visual & verbal processing.
    They do not do scientific / industrial / business processing whole day - every day.

    Most of the city people doing mental work either do this kind of mental processing which is associated with NUMBERS / SYMBOLS/ Equations / Graphs / CIRCUITS / DIAGRAMS / MONEY / ACCOUNTING etc… or they do fast visual ( verbal ) processing whole day - every day.

    This kind of thinking ( processing ) has come into existence only during the last 200 years and has destroyed our emotional ability ( circuits ).


    Suppose the maximum intensity(and duration) of a particular emotion that
    can be experienced by any human being is 100 units.

    Let us suppose the maximum intensity(and duration) of that particular emotion ever
    experienced by two people A & B in their entire life is :
    A - 100units
    B - 20 units

    Now suppose A & B are made subjects on a particular day and are asked
    to feel that particular emotion under experimental conditions ( or
    outside the laboratory ) and the intensity &duration they actually experience is

    A - 90 units
    B - 18 units

    If A & B are then asked to indicate the intensity &duration of emotion on a scale
    of 0 -10 their response is likely to be ;

    A - 9
    B - 9

    Who is right and who is wrong ?
    A is right.
    B is wrong - B is wrong by a wide margin - B has experienced an
    intensity(and duration) of 18 units out of a maximum of 100 units and his correct /
    actual score should be 1.8

    Self- assessment ( self rating ) can be accurate only if people have
    the capacity to experience the highest intensity &duration ( units ) of the
    particular emotion under study.

    Because of physical work and slow visual/verbal processing in small(slow)agriculture based societies of the past, the mind used to experience a state of emotion all the time. If we read one thousand-year-old literature we will not come across the term "boredom" -the concept of boredom did not exist in slow societies. There were long gaps between different visuals and between words/ sentences -and people had the ability to experience/ tolerate the gaps -it was normal for them.

    Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual / verbal processing slows down ( stops / freezes ). In an Industrial (thinking) society people experience very little emotion because of fast ( visual / verbal / scientific / industrial / business ) thinking

    Suppose the maximum intensity and duration of a particular emotion ( for most people ) in a fast society has reduced to 5 units ( from 100 units that people used to experience in earlier /slower societies ).

    If such people experience 4 units of emotion they will give themselves a
    rating /score of 8 on a scale of 0-10 whereas their actual score should
    be 0.4


    IQ Vs EQ

    IQ always has an element of change in it – IQ is about trying to make/ discover/ invent something new all the time.
    Change is an inherent feature of IQ.
    IQ is also about thinking more in less time—it involves speeding up of mind. Someone who does more mathematics in less time is considered more intelligent in mathematics. IQ is about change and speed.

    EQ is about sustainment of the same feeling/experience over a period of time. When we experience any higher-level emotion for 10 minutes we experience the same feeling( subjective experience) over and over again for 10 minutes.
    The( same) feeling can sustain only if there is Repetition.
    EQ involves Repetition—Constancy—Sameness.

    IQ and EQ are contradictory.
    IQ and EQ are opposites.
    IQ and EQ are inversely proportional.

    (1) A thinking species destroys the planet.
    (2) Animals lived on earth for billions of years (in very large numbers)
    without destroying nature.
    (3) They did not destroy nature because their thinking / activity was
    limited to searching for food for one time only.
    (4) Man has existed on earth in large numbers for only a few thousand
    years / a few hundred years.
    (5) Within this short period Man has destroyed the environment.
    (6) This destruction took place because of Man's thinking.
    (7) When man thinks he makes things.
    (8) When he makes things he kills animals / trees / air / water / land.
    ( Nothing can be made without killing these five elements of nature ).

    (9) A thinking species destroys the planet.

    Intelligence Is A Curse.

    This planet is on the verge of total destruction.

    The cause of destruction is – overactivity.
    [Out of millions of species in this world the human-species is the only one that has indulged in overactivity]

    The cause of overactivity is – Intelligence.
    [The environment would never have got destroyed if Man had been only as intelligent as animals]

    Intelligence is the biggest cause/ source of destruction in this world.

    [In fact Intelligence is the only cause of destruction in this world other than natural causes]


    There is no higher purpose behind work.

    People do not work because they want to work.
    People work because they cannot stop working.

    People cannot stop physical activity and mental activity (simultaneously) for even 2 minutes.

    For most people it is a choice between physical and mental work.
    The switch-over from physical work to mental work is disastrous for the planet.

    Man can do the same physical work every day.
    Man cannot do the same mental work every day.

    When man used to do physical work ( farming and related activities ) he could do the same repetitive work day after day- generation after generation.

    After the Industrial Revolution when man switched-over to mental work he
    began a never ending process of making new machines / things / products--
    a process which can only end with the complete destruction of environment ( planet ).

    The nature of mental work is such that man has to do new mental work every day- in fact he has to do new mental work every moment- Man cannot repeat in the next moment the mental work that he has already done in the previous moment.

    A mathematician cannot solve the same problem of mathematics every day- once he has solved it he will be forced to take up a new( unsolved) problem. Even when he is solving one particular problem he has to move from one step to another - there is a continuous change involved -- there is no constancy at any stage.

    An engineer cannot design the same machine again and again –once he has made a machine he will try to make changes/ design a new one.

    A writer cannot write the same article every day- he will be forced to write something new every day/ every moment (This is also the reason behind endless discussions/ debates/ arguments).
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    article continued.

    Discussions, Debates and Arguments.

    Let us examine how much discussion we are collectively having in Industrial Society every day.

    Millions of pages in print – newspapers / books / magazines.
    Millions of web-pages on internet every day.

    Now add to this all the conversation (discussion) we are having through radio / television / telephone and several other media every day.

    And add to this all the discussion we are having through face-to-face interaction.

    The volume of discussion per individual in one week is greater than the total discussion someone living in pre-industrial society would have in his entire life.

    There is too much discussion in modern society.
    Discussion is not solving our problems – discussion itself has become a problem – a gigantic problem.

    A society that does mental work will discuss itself to destruction [extinction]

    A society that does mental work will argue itself to destruction [extinction]

    A society that does mental work will debate itself to destruction [extinction]

    A society that does mental work can never stop discussions / debates / arguments – it is impossible. It will discuss / debate / argue till the last moment of it’s existence.

    Discussions / Debates / Arguments – these are creations of a society that has switched-over from physical work to mental work.

    Discussions / Debates / Arguments – these are diseases of a society that has switched-over from physical work to mental work.

    Discussions / debates / arguments can end only in agriculture-based societies that do physical work.

    We cannot do physical-work and mental-work simultaneously.

    There is an inverse relationship between physical-work and mental-work.
    If one is high [more] the other has got to be low [less]

    If we want to do physical work we have to reduce mental activity by the same proportion.
    If we want to do mental work we have to reduce physical activity by the same proportion.

    There is very little discussion / debate / argument in societies that do physical work - ie, agriculture-based societies - And this is the reason why they are millions of times saner than industrial societies.

    Change is an inherent feature of mental work.

    Since change is an inherent feature of mental work - a society that does mental work can never be at peace with itself – it is impossible.

    A society that does mental work will always be restless.

    Only those societies that do physical work [agriculture and related activities] can find contentment and peace.


    To save the [ remaining ] environment from destruction man will have to
    return back to physical work [ smaller communities ].

    To save the mind from mental diseases man will have to return back to physical work [ smaller communities ].

    Criminality and Abnormality.

    Industrial Society has collectively killed billions of Animals and Trees [ Remember -plant and animal species developed over a period of millions ofyears]

    It has also killed most of Water and Air [ Please note - polluting Water and Air is equivalent to killing Water and Air ]

    The soil was not fertile when the earth was created. It became fertile - very slowly - over a period of millions of years. And look what man has done - He has covered millions and millions of hectares of land with cement and concrete. All the land that has been covered with cement and concrete has been killed.

    Man has stockpiled thousands of tonnes of highly radioactive nuclear material and nuclear waste which is going to remain highly radioactive and carcinogenic for the next thousands of years - and which has already leaked into the environment hundreds of times.

    What could be more criminal than this.
    What could be more abnormal than this.

    Lawyers and Judges are trying to catch a few criminals.
    They don’t realize the entire Industrial Society is criminal.

    Psychologists and Psychiatrists are trying to classify a few people as abnormal.
    They don’t realize the entire Industrial Society is abnormal.

    Industrial Society is collectively making millions of tonnes of weapons and explosives [of all kinds] every year – and then it wonders why there is so much violence in this world.

    Big Mystery.

    If you make millions of tonnes of weapons and explosives on earth they are going to be used on earth – they are not going to be used on Mars.

    Make things
    Buy things
    Sell things

    This is not the purpose of life.

    Destroy Shopping Culture.

    No one deserves more.
    Everyone deserves less.

    There was a time when Man knew nothing about the number of species and millions of species existed.
    Today Man knows the names of millions of species and nothing is left of the species.

    It took millions of years for millions of species to slowly come into existence on earth - and man has decimated all other species.

    After destroying millions of highly-developed species on earth Man is today searching for a few molecules of life in outer-space.

    If a few microbes, a few molecules of methane / water are found on Mars - it becomes the newspaper headline.

    They call it progress.

    The following is about to come true.

    Nature can exist

    (1) before man.
    (2) after man.
    (3) not with man.

    Environment can be saved only if we stop production of most [ more than
    99% ] of the consumer goods we are making today.



    Time is running out for this planet.

    Yours Sincerely,
    Sushil Yadav

    Please note :
    Fast emotions =emotions associated with fast visuals/fast words/fast breathing/fast heart-rate.
    Slow emotions=emotions associated with slow visuals/slow words/slow breathing/slow heart-rate.
    Rate of thinking=number of visuals/words processed per minute.
    Gaps between thinking =gaps between visuals/ words/ sentences.
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    Regarding Industrialization there is an important point to be noted. Modern Industrial Society has existed for 100 years - 200 years - 300 years. When we compare this period with the total duration for which human society has existed on earth this period is so short - so small that it almost does'nt exist. It is almost zero.

    Material things don't bring peace and happiness. Today billions of people have got things which even Kings did not have in the past. Car, computer, television, fridge, telephone - no King ever had these things. But people are still restless and unhappy. The fast-paced, consumerist lifestyle of Industrial Society is causing exponential rise in psychological problems - besides destroying the environment. Our Minds cannot be spiritual or peaceful when attention-spans are down to nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds. Our Minds cannot be spiritual or peaceful if we destroy Nature.

    Consumerist-Lifestyle is just not sustainable. If we do not immediately return to living a very simple and frugal life then very soon there will be no human life on earth.

    Think Positive.

    Psychologists say -- Think Positive.
    Politicians say – Think Positive.
    Economists say – Think Positive.
    Scientists say – Think Positive.
    Everyone says – Think Positive.

    Arctic ice is melting – Glaciers are melting – Rivers are drying up.
    Think Positive.

    Fish population in Oceans is down to 1/3 of what it was 100 years ago.
    Think Positive.

    Pollution levels are going sky-high and valley-deep.
    Think Positive.

    There used to be millions of members in most species of Animals and Birds. Now they are down to thousands and hundreds.
    Think Positive.

    Weather is getting more and more irregular and unpredictable.
    Think Positive.

    Thinking positive is the height of insanity.
    Thinking positive is the height of abnormality.

    This is a world that has become completely incapable of feeling Pain, Compassion, Remorse and Guilt.
    The planet is getting destroyed moment by moment – and people are thinking positive.

    Very soon there will be 1 Animal and 1 Tree left in this world – and people will still be thinking positive.

    They will be holding Seminars, Conferences and Global-Summits to save the Environment.

    There is an important point which the human-species needs to understand. People think they can save the Environment by doing something.

    We can never save the environment by doing something.

    It is overactivity that has destroyed environment in the first place.

    Human-species is the only one out of millions of species that has indulged in overactivity on this planet [ And for this very reason the human speciesis going to exist on earth for the least amount of time]

    And it is not Mild Overactivity – It is Excessive Overactivity – Exponential Overactivity.

    We cannot save the environment by doing something.

    We can only save it by doing less of what we have been doing - much less of what we have been doing.

    If we want to save environment we will have to reduce human activity [overactivity] by 99%.

    The Illogical Logic of Man.

    A few birds have got infected with bird-flu and Man has started killing millions of birds.
    They say birds are a threat to humans.

    Sometime ago there was Mad Cow disease and Man started killing hundreds of thousands of cows.
    They said cows are a threat to humans.

    Ever since Man came into existence - millions of humans with infectious diseases have transferred such diseases to millions of other people - and will continue to infect millions more in future.
    Such people are a threat to rest of the people.
    Man should follow the same logic here and kill all infected people.

    It is Man who has killed millions of people in Wars and other forms of Violence – and can kill millions more any time in future.
    Man should follow the same logic here and kill all people.

    It is the human species which is the greatest threat to humans and all other life on this planet - In fact the human species is the only species which is a threat to all life on Earth.

    Man has decimated all Animal and Plant species – polluted the Sky and Oceans - and poisioned every square inch of earth.

    In a mere 200 - 300 years Industrial Society has destroyed all that Nature laboriously created over a period of millions of years.

    Humans pose the greatest threat to other humans.
    Humans pose the greatest threat to all other life on earth.

    The so-called Rational and Civilized Man should follow the same logic here - and destroy the entire human race.

    Please note :

    If you indulge in Factory Farming – If you torture the birds – confine millions of them in prison like conditions – depriving them of Sunlight and the freedom to walk and fly – you are creating an environment for the spread of virus and disease.

    Lifestyle of Mass Destruction.

    Destruction is an inherent feature of Development.

    Progress = Destruction of Nature.
    Development = Destruction of Nature.

    We can have Sustainable Lifestyle.
    We cannot have Sustainable Development.

    Development can never be sustainable.
    Sustainability and Development cannot exist together.

    Development and Sustainability are opposites.
    Development and Sustainability are contradictory.

    Sustainable Living is associated with consuming less – being satisfied with a simple and frugal life.
    Development is associated with never ending desires – always wanting more.

    Sustainable lifestyle requires Constancy.
    Sustainable lifestyle requires Sameness.
    Sustainable lifestyle requires Repetition.

    Development is associated with Change.
    Development is associated with New.
    Development is associated with Transience.

    Industrial Societies can never be sustainable – When you make thousands of consumer goods you kill Nature - you kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land.

    A Society that does mental work [city based] can never be sustainable - it will keep on making consumer goods - destroying the environment moment by moment.

    Only agriculture-based societies that do physical work can be sustainable.

    The term Sustainable Development is like the terms

    Stationary Walk.
    Silent Talk.
    Wakeful Sleep.
    Dark Sun
    Gentle Torture.
    Dry Rain.
    Peaceful War.

    There was a time when Man used to say –

    I work in order to feed my family.
    I work in order to put Food on the Table.

    Today man is putting a lot more than Food on the Table.

    Cars, Computers, ipods, Aeroplanes, 200 TV Channels, Luxury Yatchs, Caribbean Vacations, Palatial Homes, Video Phones, Designer Clothes, Designer Drugs, Cosmetic Surgery …………… The list is endless.

    Man is putting thousands of consumer goods and services on the Table.
    There is too much weight on the Table.
    And the Table has begun to creak.

    The more you put on your table the more you take out from the mouths of Animals and Birds.

    The more you put on your table the more you kill Animals and Trees.

    The more you put on your table the more you kill Water, Air and Land.

    The more you put on your table the more you kill Mountains and Valleys.

    The more you put on your table the more you kill the Sky and Oceans - the Rivers and Lakes.

    There are so many things on the Table that one can barely see the Food.

    We need just a few things to live.
    And we are making thousands of things.

    Billions of people are engaged in making, buying and selling of thousands of consumer goods.

    Destroy Shopping Culture.

    Go back to Simple Living.
    Go back to putting just Food on the Table.

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    I agree with you that there is a lot that could be criticized about our materialist “shopping culture”. However, is there perhaps another dimension to this argument?

    In one sense, Western industrial (or post-industrial) societies enjoy some hefty advantages over pre-industrial societies. For instance, life expectancy has increased due to better nutrition, modern medicine and so on. Personally, I am very grateful for these aspects of current western society. Another thing is that technology has freed up time since we are no longer obliged to spend the majority of our lives in the quest for subsistence. Do we really want to go back to “just putting food on the table”? Does a “simple” agricultural life really allow for a richer emotional experience? I’ve always thought of agriculture as very hard work, but then I am a life long city dweller so I have no direct experience here.

    Appreciating the advantages of technology does not necessarily rule out being critical of the present state of affairs. E.g. Karl Marx was critical of capitalist inequality, but at the same time, impressed by the abundance generated by industrial innovation. I would tend to say that the issue is not one of rejecting industrialization etc. but of working to see how its advantages can be extended to the majority of people in the world, rather than as at present, being confined to a privileged few. How this might be achieved in an environmentally responsible manner is, as you indicate, a troubling and highly significant question.

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    We are nothing more than like a bunch of insects put into a jar by a larger being who watches. When we were few we were as mindful as an ant with a purpose relying on his instincts, but now are swarms in turmoil feeding off each other and the crumbs that are left. Deluded that we are that larger being and have wisdom and yet we can not see beyond that which holds us. In our mindless pursuits we are merely clawing at the glass and the words that come from our breath is fogging our vision to see clearly.

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    Sounds like a tad of eco-terrorism. But a lot of them just recently got arrested out in Oregon or Washington and will spend some time in the slammer. Definitely avoid that eventuality.

    Can't really agree with categorizing that writers, artists and poets automatically have more feelings or emotions than, say a mathematician or businessperson. That would be a tough axiom to prove.

    There's a ton of eco-literature that you will really enjoy if you haven't yet encountered it. Edward Abbey's "The Monkey Wrench Gang" for starters. That's a wild ride. Also, "A River Runs Through It."

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    I usually like to hear peoples opinions and I usually don't go as far as to say I hate something but reading this artical blew my mind how could someone write this.I don't have a comment I won't even state why I don't like it all I have to say is that the whole thing is ridiculous.

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    You must be kidding. I cannot put into words such mind numbing stupidity.

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    It sounds like dribble to me. I didn't read it all. Got bored real fast. Seemed like it was politically motivated.
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    I, personally, found the article fascinating, despite my disagreement with a few parts of the article, which I thought, required immensely more empirical evidence to entirely prove all of the theories - theories, I call them, or hypotheses, because many concepts communicated appear far more reliant on non-linear logic more contingent on personal belief than, for example, a documented scientific journal or document.
    If possible, sushil_yadav, could you supply the works cited for finding this article? Without breaking the law for posting this article, possibly forgetting to cite your sources, it would also satisfy my curiosity regarding the reliability of the source - whether it seems more of faith-based scientological outlook (though I intend no offense to scientologists) or something more fact-based by scientific research, composed by doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists, ecologists, and other relating researchers to the article's content.
    Despite how much right-sided hemisphere brain-cognition and left-sided hemisphere brain cognition differ, however, I find that both can live in unison; I offer myself as a decent, though not the best example. For this purpose, I will expose my vulnerability to a public forum that I do suffer from mental illness (two, in fact); besides my incessant struggle, I find myself strongly attached to both science (particularly human biology, and remain a mere 2 weeks from graduating from nursing school), and attached to literature (also as a writer, writing notebooks full of poetry, and a third play in progress). I also admit the fact of my male gender; I find this relevant because females, on average, can have an average 48% larger corpus callosum (the connecting tissue between both hemispheres of the human brain, thereby increasing neural transmissions between the two).
    Despite any such research that appears uncited and absent of any scientific relevance without a reliable source (perhaps in a bibliography), I find this article difficult to consider. I can admit that I agree with some parts of it, but disagree with others; of course, not calling myself an empiricist in all my thought, when speaking in more scientific matters, I find empiricism essential in providing any proof of the relevance of this article.

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    OUTRAGEOUSLY RIDICULOUS………….to say the least. What a monstrous waste of time and space.
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    This is old news I realize, but the level of absolutism in many of the negative responses is disturbing. Additionally, the black or white viewpoint that the article imparts is not exactly most objective either. The division between art and science is a facade. All valid disciplines of science seek the truth about the nature of things, be it the environment (ecology), mathematics, or human nature. Pound even stated someting akin to literature being the science of the soul.

    However, the article points out many validities in regards to how we are literally "buying" our own doom through purchasing usless sh*t. I think we as humans are trying to fill a spiritual hole created (only in part) by technology outpacing the evolution of the human spirit. Overall, I really enjoyed the article.

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    The article was difficult to read, but what I got from it was something extremely critical of the current state of the Westen world. Though I admit I read little.

    However, I also read something about saving the enviroment, which is a subject I refuse to talk about, because frankly I would lose control and swear to the point of bannage.

    So yeah, not altogether impressed with it.

    Plus it wasn't an article, it was a bloody book!  2865
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