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    This is the kind of thinking that exports poverty (Indian version) all over the world through World Bank and Asian Development Bank whose policy makers are mostly Indians.
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    This a difficult subject to deal with because while much of what you say is indisputable, the rest is open to question.
    For those who would argue against the proposal, they should remind themselves that the Earth's resources are finite.
    Those who argue for it must realise that that mankind, at its present stage of development, isn't going to revert to a hunter gatherer lifestyle.

    What has become increasingly obvious in fairly recent times is that humans are simply part of a system but like other life forms are subject to a correction in their numbers according to the exigencies of natural forces of which we understand little. If all the famines, plagues, wars and natural disasters to which humans are prone had not taken place. the world's population would already have outstripped the resources that maintain it. It seems reasonable to assume that this correction in numbers is part of some indefinable balancing act that keeps humans at the top of the food chain without destroying their species in the process.
    Given that, through science, we have managed to massively increase our numbers despite the aforementioned correcting factors, there would appear to be a need for a correspondingly massive reduction in the earth's population.
    How this will come about is not known but nuclear war is a distinct possibility. The usefulness of atomic energy as a source of power has been undermined by catastrophic events in Russia ( Ukraine) and Japan, but its efficacy as a means of mass destruction remains unaltered.
    Pandemics are also a possible method by which a large swathe of humanity could be reduced or there could be a drastic lowering of the sperm count in the male population as recent French studies have shown.
    In any case, what is indisputable is that the current surge in industrial activity in the so called BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China) cannot be environmentally sustained and will have both short and long-term consequences for mankind as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miyako73 View Post
    I'm not being racist.

    If the world will collapse environmentally, culturally, philosophically, economically, politically, spiritually, technologically, socially, Indians are to blame. Anywhere you go in the world, you'll see Indians manage or monopolize these things. The Indianization of the world is currently happening.
    Quote Originally Posted by miyako73 View Post
    This is the kind of thinking that exports poverty (Indian version) all over the world through World Bank and Asian Development Bank whose policy makers are mostly Indians.
    It is a universaly aknowleged truth that all financially sucessfull races belong in the oven.

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    Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

    Environment has been destroyed by Urban Population, Urban Work and Urban Education.

    All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Urban Population and Urban Education.

    Industrial Activity has destroyed so much environment in 250 years that there is hardly any environment left to save.

    Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately....Millions of other species get only food from earth....The maximum that man can/ should get is food, clothing and shelter....Urban Dwellers have to either transform into full time food producers or they have to stop working.

    Billions of animals are being slaughtered in Industrial Slaughter Houses every day.....Billions of fish are being killed by Industrial Fishing every day....Millions of acres of Forests are being destroyed by Industrial Activity every day....Millions of wild animals in forests are being killed by Industrial Activity every day.....Millions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste is being added to environment every day....Millions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste and eWaste are being added to environment every day.... Millions of acres of Fertile Soil is being killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt every day....Nuclear Industry has produced millions of tonnes of Nuclear Waste which will keep contaminating the planet with hazardous radioactivity for the next thousands of years.

    Progress, Growth, Development.

    This is terminology for all unnecessary and destructive work being done by Urban Population.

    Growth Rate - Economy Rate - GDP.

    These are figures for all unnecessary and destructive work being done by Urban Population.

    If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

    If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.


    If Urban Society stops all its supplies to Villages......electricity, oil, machinery, equipment and consumer goods, Villagers will survive forever.

    If Villages stop all their supplies to Cities......Food Grains and Vegetables, Urban Population will die within a month.

    [ Villagers need Electricity, Oil, Machinery and Equipment to produce food for the Urban Population , They would not need these things to produce food for themselves]

    Urban Work is not only dispensable it is highly injurious to planet earth.

    Two centuries of Urban Work after industrialization has destroyed most of the biodiversity and ecosystems on earth.

    Urban Work must stop immediately.

    Cities, Urban Dwellers, Urban Work and Urban Education are a curse on this planet.

    Urban Dwellers are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

    Urban Dwellers are serial killers of nature....Serial Killers of Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land.

    If consumer goods are eliminated from cities people will not die....If food and water are eliminated from cities people will die.

    *Growth Rate* - *Economy Rate* - *GDP*
    These are figures of "Ecocide".
    These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
    These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
    These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".

    Urban Population is a curse on this planet....Urban Dwellers are a curse on this planet.

    Urban Population has destroyed necessary things [Animals, trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things [Consumer Goods and Services]

    Food, clothing and shelter are necessities, Not thousands of consumer goods and services.

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    For millions of years "Searching For Food" / "Producing Food" were the primary occupations of almost the entire human population in Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian Society.

    There is Zero chance of saving the little environment that is left on earth without fixing the problem of "Urban Population".

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    All Urban Dwellers are Eco Killers.....Adults as well as Children.

    Urban Adults are already destroying environment by running Industrial Activity for production and marketing of thousands of consumer goods and services......Children are being groomed to do the same in future through Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education.

    School and University Education has destroyed environment....All Industrial Activity is being run by Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education.

    Everything in Cities is destructive in nature......Urban Dwellers, Urban Work, Urban Education.....Everything.

    Environment has been destroyed by Urban Dwellers, Urban Work and Urban Education.

    The source / cause of all Industrial Activity is Urban Population, Urban Work and Education.

    **Urban population trying to save environment is like Petrol trying to extinguish a fire.**

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    Rural Population of this world is doing work.....Urban Population of this world is doing destructive work.

    Rural Population is producing food......Urban Population is producing thousands of consumer goods and services.

    Since Urban Population is not producing food, it has created thousands of unnecessary professions to keep itself occupied [People would go crazy without work]....Destructive works and professions of Urban Dwellers include Production of consumer goods and services, Marketing of consumer goods and services, Jobs in Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Military Industrial Complex, All kinds of unnecessary research and jobs in hundreds of other fields.

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    Why should rest of the world suffer for the decadent and destructive lifestyle of Urban Dwellers????

    Why should Forests be destroyed for the Industrial Projects of Urban Dwellers????

    Why should Animals and Trees die for the Industrial Projects of Urban Dwellers????

    Why should Villages and Tribal Land be destroyed for the Industrial Projects of Urban Dwellers????

    Why should Rivers, Lakes and Oceans be destroyed for the Industrial Projects of Urban Dwellers????

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    A fraction of world population producing food for entire population....This is the root cause of all environmental destruction.

    Rural Population producing food for Urban Population....This is the root cause of all environmental destruction.

    Urban Population is not producing food, It is doing *Extra* Work which is causing *Extra* Destruction of environment.....Urban Population is producing thousands of consumer goods and services which has led to *Exponential* Extra Destruction of environment.

    All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run and promoted by Urban Population of the world.

    Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth....The biggest act of killing, murder and terrorism on earth.

    This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" Societies.

    Hunter_Gatherer Society was sustainable.....Agrarian Society was sustainable.....The question of Industrial Society being sustainable doesn't arise.

    We cannot save environment by destroying more of it.....We cannot save environment by destroying it for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.
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    Animal Species had Zero Percent Urban Population.......Hunter_Gatherer Society had Zero Percent Urban Population.......Agrarian Society had less than Two Percent Urban Population.......All these societies sustained for millions of years collectively.

    The current Industrial Society which has 50% Urban Population worldwide has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years after Industrial Revolution.......Industrial Activity has been promoted by Urban Population......Industrial Activity has been promoted by people who do not produce food.

    This planet can sustain Animal Species.....It can sustain Hunter_Gatherer Human Society......It can sustain Agrarian Human Society......It cannot sustain Industrial Human Society.

    This planet can only sustain food producing societies where almost the entire population is engaged in food production......It cannot sustain an Industrial Society where 50% of world population is growing food for entire population and the remaining 50% living in cities is promoting Industrial Activity.

    Animals saved environment for millions of years because they destroyed it only for food.....Hunter_Gatherer Society saved environment because it destroyed environment only for food.....Agrarian Society saved environment because it destroyed environment only for food, clothing and shelter.

    Industrial Society has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems because it destroyed environment for "Thousands of consumer goods and services" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

    In the Animal Kingdom, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society almost the entire population was engaged in "Searching for Food" / "Growing Food".

    It is the Urban Population that is engaged in and promoting all kinds of Industrial Activity ......Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Transportation Industry, Construction Industry, Recycling Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Millions of kilometers of Rail & Road network, Air Routes and Shipping Lanes.

    Food, clothing and shelter......These are the maximum number of things this planet can provide to humans......The only way to save the remaining environment is by reorganizing the entire population so that food production remains the only primary activity just like it was for millions of years before Industrialization.

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    Industrial Society has existed for barely 250 years which comes to almost Zero Percent of Total Human Existence on earth....In fact Industrial Society has existed for only about 100 years....Although Industrial Revolution started 250 years ago most of the world became heavily industrialized only in the last 100 years....100 years of Industrial Activity has destroyed this planet.....100 years of Industrial Activity has destroyed what was not destroyed in millions of years on earth.

    Humans have spent more than 99.99% of their time on earth in Non-Industrial Societies [Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian].....Industrial Society is an Anomaly....Only Non-Industrial Societies are sustainable on earth.

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    A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been less than 2 billion today.

    If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.

    At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.

    We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated.

    We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.......The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial Activity must be primarily limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.....The food should of course be vegan/ vegetarian as far as possible.
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    Yes, it is very destructive. Watch your arce go up in flames. ROFLMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sami View Post
    I agree with you that there is a lot that could be criticized about our materialist “shopping culture”. However, is there perhaps another dimension to this argument?

    In one sense, Western industrial (or post-industrial) societies enjoy some hefty advantages over pre-industrial societies. For instance, life expectancy has increased due to better nutrition, modern medicine and so on. Personally, I am very grateful for these aspects of current western society. Another thing is that technology has freed up time since we are no longer obliged to spend the majority of our lives in the quest for subsistence. Do we really want to go back to “just putting food on the table”? Does a “simple” agricultural life really allow for a richer emotional experience? I’ve always thought of agriculture as very hard work, but then I am a life long city dweller so I have no direct experience here.

    Appreciating the advantages of technology does not necessarily rule out being critical of the present state of affairs. E.g. Karl Marx was critical of capitalist inequality, but at the same time, impressed by the abundance generated by industrial innovation. I would tend to say that the issue is not one of rejecting industrialization etc. but of working to see how its advantages can be extended to the majority of people in the world, rather than as at present, being confined to a privileged few. How this might be achieved in an environmentally responsible manner is, as you indicate, a troubling and highly significant question.
    I would consider myself a "green anarchist", someone who believes that our structures of government and economics have brought us social stratification, (modern-day) slavery, pollution... basically nothing worth saving.

    It is true that life expectancy has increased due to modern medicine (I wouldn't say nutrition, but rather the understanding of healthy, balanced diets). Yet, modern medicine is a horrible, filthy business. It is a business based on profit rather than humanity. Never mind the process of making drugs, take a look at the prices of generic drugs as opposed to brand drugs and at the lobby work 'big pharma' does to limit production and distribution of generic drugs. I especially advise you to look at aids drugs. It's an industry that would rather see the third world infected with aids than a world where cheap, generic drugs are easily available. So in a way, yes modern medicine has done a lot of good but it's a part of that sickening, capitalistic machine and basically causes, I dare say, more suffering.

    It's debatable whether technology freed up time. It certainly hasn't freed us. I would dare to bet that the average hunter-gatherer today spends less time working than the average westerner. He certainly doesn't spend more time working. He's not bound by debt (we are, maybe not personally but whose country is without?), he's not forced to work to afford housing, electricity, water, food, health care, transportation... He is much more free. Are you not working everyday to be able to live? What has changed? We've lost our autonomy. I'd say farming, hunting and gathering food are healthy activities. You're diet, if you take into account what we know today, would be healthier. We'd have less problems in the world.

    Sure, there will be hunger at times, higher death rate possibly, war will not vanish but the most important advantage is that small scale local farming or a hunter gatherer lifestyle is sustainable and in the end I think that's the only humane path. The path we are on today will lead to, no has led to slavery, poverty, homelessness, debt, war, pollution, loss of autonomy or sovereignty. Our natural resources being exploited without regard of economic, social or environmental impact and without a clear plan. Very soon, and many experts agree, we'll reach our peak. Even if we'd put all our money on sustainable energy, we'd still reach our platform rather quickly because we're not dealing with the problem, we're simply postponing it. Sustainable retreat is the only viable option, in my opinion. We need to get rid of the notion of growth as soon as possible.

    I'm not a pessimist, though. I feel that things, mentalities are slowing changing. This should be the start of a transition. Say goodbye to your ipads, computers, fashionable clothes, cars... and start farming and preserving foods. Start buying locally, start taking your money out of the bank and start investing in alternative "economic" systems... Gradually, however. I guess I won't see it happening but it's really not a matter of choice. Either we decide to do this or we'll be forced to. I choose do say goodbye to unnecessary luxuries (some of which I've named) and I choose to activate people around me. I don't really believe in a doomsday scenario, but you see things happening, like Canada increasing military presence at the North Pole, China guarding its rare minerals, many African countries want sovereignty over natural resources, this trend has been called the biggest threat to development of the Western world... Things are changing, power structures are shifting... Very interesting!
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    The most dangerous and destructive industry in this world is Education Industry.

    Education Industry is the source of all Industrial Activity that has destroyed environment....All other industries are by products of Education Industry.

    Universities and Colleges are producing millions of Scientists, Engineers, Economists, MBA's, Business and Finance Graduates who are running and promoting all Industrial Activity in this world.


    Education Industry is the Mother of all Industries.

    Education Industry is the Mother of all Environmental Destruction.

    All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education.

    Education has destroyed environment.

    School and University Education has destroyed environment.

    Educated People are the biggest Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

    Schools and Universities must be closed down.....Immediately!!!

    Billions of animals are being slaughtered in Industrial Slaughter Houses every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Industrial Farming of animals, Industrial Slaughter Houses, Refrigeration/ Transportation Industry which transports live and dead animals all over the world and Marketing Industry which sells meat.

    Billions of fish are being killed by Industrial Fishing every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Industrial Ships which catch fish, Refrigeration/ Transportation Industry which transports fish all over the world and Marketing Industry which sells fish.

    Millions of acres of Forests are being destroyed by Industrial Activity every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Marketing Industry, Construction Industry, Transportation Industry, Oil Drilling and Refining Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road networks which are destroying forests moment by moment.

    Millions of wild animals in forests are being killed by Industrial Activity every day because of Education....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for the decimation of wild animals.

    Millions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste is being added to environment every day because of Education.....Millions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste and eWaste are being added to environment every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for the poisoning of Rivers, Oceans, Land and Sky/ Atmosphere.

    Millions of acres of Fertile Soil is being killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt every day because of Education....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for destruction of fertile soil by Construction Industry.

    Education is responsible for millions of tonnes of Nuclear Waste produced by Nuclear Industry which will keep contaminating the planet with hazardous radioactivity for the next thousands of years.....This radioactivity will remain a potential source of cancer, death, multiple organ failures, physical and mental deformities for thousands of years....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Radioactivity produced by Nuclear Industry.

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    Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

    Environment has been destroyed by Urban Population, Urban Work and Urban Education.

    All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Urban Population and Urban Education.



    Animal Species searched for Food

    Hunter_Gatherer Society searched for Food

    Agrarian Society produced Food

    Rural Industrial Society is producing Food

    Urban Industrial Society is producing Thousands of Consumer Goods and Services.

    Urban Industrial Society is the Anomaly.
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    The work of Urban Industrial Society is Extra, Unnecessary and Destructive.

    Urban Work has destroyed environment.....Urban Work must stop immediately.

    Production of Industrial Consumer Goods must stop immediately.

    If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

    If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

    That is the worth of Urban Work in this world.


    Environment has been destroyed by Urban Population, Urban Work and Urban Education.

    All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Urban Population and Urban Education.

    If Urban Society stops all its supplies to Villages......electricity, oil, machinery, equipment and consumer goods, Villagers will survive forever.

    If Villages stop all their supplies to Cities......Food Grains and Vegetables, Urban Population will die within a month.

    [ Villagers need Electricity, Oil, Machinery and Equipment to produce food for the Urban Population , They would not need these things to produce food for themselves]

    Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately....Millions of other species get only food from earth....The maximum that man can/ should get is food, clothing and shelter.

    This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" societies....For millions of years "searching for food"/ "producing food" was the primary occupation on earth.

    The whole society needs to be reorganized...Urban Dwellers have to be relocated in Rural Areas....Urban Dwellers have to either transform into full time food producers or they have to stop working in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work....They can be given food for free in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work.

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    Yes, very destructive. It'll make your arse go up in flames.

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    Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

    Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.
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    Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

    Environment has been destroyed by Urban Work and Urban Education.
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    Urban Society is not only destroying environment moment by moment, It is also celebrating every moment of destruction.

    Destruction.....Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Construction Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Networks, Air Routes and Shipping Lanes are destroying environment moment by moment.

    Celebration.....Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Tourism Industry, Shopping Malls and Restaurants are providing non-stop entertainment to Urban Society.
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    If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

    If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

    This is the worth of Urban Work in this world.

    This is the worth of Progress, Growth, Development.

    This is the worth of Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.

    This is the worth of Consumer Goods and Services.

    Urban Society has destroyed necessary things [Animals, trees, Air, water and Land] for making unnecessary things [Consumer Goods].

    Cities have destroyed Forests, Villages, Tribal Land, Rivers, Oceans and Atmosphere.

    The planet is dying and gasping for last breath because of Urban Population.
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    This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" societies....For millions of years "searching for food"/ "producing food" was the primary occupation on earth.

    The whole society needs to be reorganized...Urban Dwellers have to be relocated in Rural Areas....Urban Dwellers have to either transform into full time food producers or they have to stop working in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work....They can be given food for free in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work.

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    How would you imagine living without all these things?

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    We are now looking at the results of such. That is, a 2008 financial crash leading to a global economic crisis that has not been resolved, and likely will never be solved as the 2008 crash involved only a fraction of over a quadrillion dollars in risky financial investments. The crisis has spread from the U.S. to Europe and to Asia.

    The crisis masked conventional oil production peaking in 2005, and which will likely be dropping in a few years, as producers desperately use shale, tar sands, etc., to meet increasing demand for resources even as these sources of energy have lower energy returns and steeper decline curves. The results include high unemployment, oil prices, and food prices worldwide, leading to global social unrest, from protests in Europe to the Arab Spring.

    Meanwhile, what climate scientists predicted in the past would take place decades from now are now taking place, including melting sea ice, methane hydrates being released, etc. Positive feedback factors now appear to make the situation worse. And then there's environmental damage on a scale leading to lower fish harvests, more polluted water, food crop destruction, bee and other species die-offs.

    Finally, not surprisingly, we are now seeing increasing militarization among countries, as they engage in proxy wars to take control of oil and other resources. Combine the financial crisis with lack of resources, austerity measures coupled with high unemployment, food and oil prices, leading to more riots, protests, and rallies worldwide, and it won't be surprising if the global economy falls apart once more and wars escalate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralfyman View Post
    Meanwhile, what climate scientists predicted in the past would take place decades from now are now taking place, including melting sea ice, methane hydrates being released, etc. Positive feedback factors now appear to make the situation worse. And then there's environmental damage on a scale leading to lower fish harvests, more polluted water, food crop destruction, bee and other species die-offs.

    Finally, not surprisingly, we are now seeing increasing militarization among countries, as they engage in proxy wars to take control of oil and other resources. Combine the financial crisis with lack of resources, austerity measures coupled with high unemployment, food and oil prices, leading to more riots, protests, and rallies worldwide, and it won't be surprising if the global economy falls apart once more and wars escalate.
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    After torturing, slaughtering and decimating millions of species on earth humans call themselves the Most Superior Species.

    Height of Insanity.....Insanity raised to the power of Infinity.

    If millions of other species could vote, man would not get even a single vote for "Most Superior Species" but millions of votes for "Most Inferior Species".


    Human Species is the Most Insane, Abnormal and Criminal Species on earth.

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    Millions in this world have died for trivial reasons.

    Millions in this world have killed for trivial reasons.

    Millions have died and killed for Family, Honour, Country, Religion, Money, Fame and Possessions.

    Only a handful have died for environment without which Family, Honour, Country, Religion, Money, Fame and Possessions will not even exist.

    Only a handful have killed for environment without which Family, Honour, Country, Religion, Money, Fame and Possessions will not even exist.

    The planet is dying.....It is gasping for last breath.

    Radical Actions are needed.

    Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

    Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.

    Do it Now.

    A few years later would be too late.

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    **Oath of Environmentalists in Industrial Society**

    Violence is Wrong....Violence is Unacceptable.

    We will not indulge in violence to save environment.

    We are willing to participate in violence against nature but not against man.

    Violence against nature is okay, violence against man is not.

    We are willing to witness the Torture, Slaughter and Decimation of millions of other species but not violence against man.

    We are willing to witness the destruction of environment till the time there is no environment left on earth but we will not tolerate violence against People and Institutions that are destroying the environment moment by moment.

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    People who think they are Non Violent are highly mistaken.

    No one is Non Violent in Industrial Society.

    Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

    Industrial Society has killed billions of farm animals in Slaughter Houses and billions of wild animals in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of animals.

    Industrial Society has killed billions of Trees in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of Trees.

    Industrial Activity has produced billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous Industrial Waste.....This waste has polluted and poisoned air, water and soil....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita waste which is a measure of per capita killing of air, water and soil.

    Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

    Even those amongst us who are living very simple lives are still using at least some consumer goods and services whose production and use destroys nature directly or indirectly.

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    ** No punishment for the biggest crime on earth???? **

    ** No punishment for the crime which is billions of times bigger than the next biggest crime on earth???? **

    ** No punishment for the torture, slaughter and decimation of millions of species????.....No punishment for destruction of most of the biodiversity and ecosystems on earth???? **

    Promoters of Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are the biggest killers, murderers and terrorists on earth.

    No punishment for the People and Institutions that have destroyed the planet in the name of Progress, Growth and Development???

    No punishment for poisoning the planet with trillions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste???

    No punishment for killing billions of acres of fertile soil [that was the source of food to millions of species] with Cement, Concrete and Asphalt???

    No punishment for decimating fish in the oceans????.....No punishment for turning oceans acidic and warmer????.....No punishment for creating oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans???

    This planet belonged to millions of species, not just man alone.

    Man has taken over the entire planet....The Land, The Sky, The Oceans.

    Promoters of Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are the biggest killers, murderers and terrorists on earth.

    No punishment for the People and Institutions that have destroyed the planet in the name of Progress, Growth and Development???

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    This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" societies....For millions of years "searching for food"/ "producing food" was the primary occupation on earth.

    The whole society needs to be reorganized...Urban Dwellers have to be relocated in Rural Areas....Urban Dwellers have to either transform into full time food producers or they have to stop working in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work....They can be given food for free in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work.

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    A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been less than 2 billion today.

    If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.

    At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.

    We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated.

    We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.......The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial Activity must be primarily limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.

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    Human Species is the Most Insane, Abnormal and Criminal Species on earth.

    Or simply the most intelligent... and as such the most powerful and deadly?

    Millions in this world have killed for trivial reasons.

    Millions in this world have died for trivial reasons.


    And your point is? Do you assume that humanity was less violent prior to industrialization?

    http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pink..._violence.html

    The planet is dying.....It is gasping for last breath.

    Is it? You know this for a fact?

    Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

    Of course. Ignorance is always a viable solution to any and all problems.

    Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.

    Yeah... that'll work. Let's just turn back to the good old days of the hunter-gatherers.

    No one is Non Violent in Industrial Society.

    Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.


    That would seemingly include you, who have benefited from a modern notion of education for more than the few aristocratic elites, as well as from the use of industrialized technology such as the computer and the internet through which you attempt to spread your ignorant rants.

    Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

    Yawn!

    Even those amongst us who are living very simple lives are still using at least some consumer goods and services whose production and use destroys nature directly or indirectly.

    Again... this would include you. Why not begin your crusade against human waste by eliminating your use of such useful technologies as the computer, the internet, and electricity used to power these things?

    No punishment for the People and Institutions that have destroyed the planet in the name of Progress, Growth and Development???

    Please grow up.

    This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" societies....For millions of years "searching for food"/ "producing food" was the primary occupation on earth.

    So again you would have us return to the pre-civilized eras of the hunter-gatherers... and you imagine that this would be the ideal?

    The whole society needs to be reorganized...Urban Dwellers have to be relocated in Rural Areas....Urban Dwellers have to either transform into full time food producers or they have to stop working in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work....They can be given food for free in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work.

    Yeah... that'll work.

    A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been less than 2 billion today.

    So without modern industrialization the population would not have increased at such a high rate. Hmmm...? And how did this play out for India? It seems to me that the most advanced industrialized nations are the ones who have the greatest control of their population growth.

    If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.

    Define "the environment". Your notion of "the environment" seems to be little more than a Romantic ideal.

    We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated.

    And you imagine that humanity is willing to surrender such and return to living as hunter-gatherers in order to preserve your fantasy notion of some idyllic Garden of Eden?
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    Human Species is the Most Insane, Abnormal and Criminal Species on earth. - Sushil Yadhav
    Oh come on - haven't you watched Discovery Channel or Animal Planet or National Geographic? Animals can be horribly cruel, trees and plants jostle and choke each other as they compete for air, water and sunlight. The forces of nature are a billion trillion times more powerful and can be more cruel than anything man can ever do. The natural world is a competitive world with or without humans, and that involves cruelty. Deal with it.
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