I've just finished reading "1984" and I couldn't help but notice several stark similarities in Plato's Republic.
I'm wondering if anyone else here noticed the same thing (i.e. The government in both books clains to "serve the whole people", but ends up exsisting for it's own sake)?
haven't read it. oops i just stopped by to whine about how much i wish i had a bmw cry a nice silver convertible, leather interior... I fantasise bout it whilst driving.... sorry; that's pretty off-topic.
Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live.
(Mark Twain)
To be honest, I'm a gadget-loving 15 year old who has an extreme taste for Philosophy & literature. I don't own a BMW, but I've driven Them.Originally Posted by fayefaye
haven't read it. :oops: i just stopped by to whine about how much i wish i had a bmwa nice silver convertible, leather interior... I fantasise bout it whilst driving.... sorry; that's pretty off-topic.
lol. yeah, well, a friend of a friend of mine learnt to drive in a mercedes. if i ever track that guy down... u've driven one? ha! that's cool. like, what's the driving age where u are?
Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live.
(Mark Twain)
I live in Michigan. Here, you are allowed to take driver's ed. at 14 years & nine months. Upon completing it successfull, you are allowec to drive with a parent/lisenced friend 21 years or older.
By the way, would you mind explaining your quote to me?
YOU'RE KIDDING. here (australia) you have to be 16 to take driver's ed. i would have loved to be able to drive at 14. only in america. ( I'm a shocking driver though. i rest my foot on the accelerator! plus, i never step on the brake before entering a corner, so I'm always driving on the wrong side of a road for a while. an accident waiting to happen.
the quote? 'sometimes you wake up. sometimes the fall kills you. and sometimes, when you fall, you fly.' it's just a quote i like. i haven't actually read the book it comes from oops i think it's like, sometimes you become dissillusioned, and **** happens. but sometimes when **** happens it turns out well, y'know? sometimes if you put yourself out there it works out. btw, i really like philosophy too. maybe we'll have some interesting conversation.
Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live.
(Mark Twain)
wow. i didn't know they censured posts. how come abdo can get away with it and i can't? or did i bleap myself and i just can't remember... my memory's really bad. either way i came up with a better explanation of the quote.
it's sort of.. sometimes life just comes at you. comes at you in a way that can be very real, upsetting, cause you to die inside. sometimes the really bad things in life can kill you. but sometimes you can triumph over them. you can fly.
Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live.
(Mark Twain)
Itīs from a very good comic book. (One of my many favorites) Itīs about what happens in dreams when you fall. But , the story is about other things as well - and I think your interpretation is correct. Wonīt spoil the story for you by telling more...Now go get it! Buy the comic!
"Man was made for joy and woe;
And when this we rightly know
Through the world we safely go" Blake
You're both lucky (Faye and BMW-Guy). To get a driving licence here you have to be 18... and pass the tests
I have a plan: attack!
Well, it can't get worse than my case- I FAILED the test- to put it more clearly the instructor was sticking straws in his hair! Now if I can brace myself to take the test again- and find someone with nerves of steel to coach me!
How did we get here from Plato's republic?
Actually interesting question comparing 19647the Republic, BMW-Guy, I'll try to reply over theweekend- ifI gettime off from packing, that is!
I'm nobody, who are you?
Are you nobody too?
There's a pair of us, don't tell!
They'd banish us, you know!
How dreary to be somebody!
There's a lovely quote which I think would be apropriate here
"And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom."
Anais Nin
Are you nobody too?
There's a pair of us, don't tell!
They'd banish us, you know!
How dreary to be somebody!
yeh, that's good. i might make that my next sig ) put in more sigs from stuff i haven't actually read! either way, i don't actually have my licence yet. it's a long, enduring process. i have to pass a test, than prove i've driven for a grand total of fifty hours, then pass another test, then drive around without getting into trouble for a year, THEN i'll have my licence. cry right now i'm still a learner. i heard if you nearly kill the driving assessment guy, they give you an instant pass D D it's my best hope!
Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live.
(Mark Twain)
I seem to remember when O'brien was in the ministry of love, he got angry :evil: that Winston said the government was for the people. He stated that INGSOC exists to keep the upper class in the upper class and to think that ANY government exists to promote equality for the people is folly.
Oh by the way, I've never read Plato's "Republic", but would be interested in hearing comparison
"Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone.
The people themselves therefore are its only safe depositories." -Thomas Jefferson
Um, I think we have lost sight of the original intentions of this post, but there's no harm that's been done. I actually enjoyed the car-talk.
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