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    Quote Originally Posted by Foreigner038 View Post
    True, but if the government does not know it won't hurt them. Meaning if the proles don't act like they are getting smart until they revolt then Big Brother might just think nothing has changed, and how would Big Brother know if they are getting smarter. The most contact he has with the proles is, pornosec, the lottery, and the bombs he drops on their village. The proles do not have telescreens they are unwatched. So my question is how would Big Brother know that they are getting smarter if he does not watch them at all? I do agree it could be very dangerous, but i think it is a risk they have to take for the sake of themselves and the sake of everyone else.
    Who would make them smarter? There are no schools or universities, and if there were something like that; it is controlled by Party.
    Every single Prole is stupid, so some private conspired school is also impossible. Also, none of Proles realizes what is happening, so who would said them in the first place what is Party doing? Forget someone like William Wallace, Martin Luther, Oliver Cromwell, Robin Hood, Guiseppe Garibaldi etc; it's impossible!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bazarov View Post
    Who would make them smarter? There are no schools or universities, and if there were something like that; it is controlled by Party.
    Every single Prole is stupid, so some private conspired school is also impossible. Also, none of Proles realizes what is happening, so who would said them in the first place what is Party doing? Forget someone like William Wallace, Martin Luther, Oliver Cromwell, Robin Hood, Guiseppe Garibaldi etc; it's impossible!
    Yeah it is going to be hard but think about it maybe O'Brien and Winston could teach them and make them smarter. Or Winston could find a person who learned a lot before the revolution that he can have teach some proles at a time and have those proles tell everyone else about there learnings. It is a simple step they need to do but it is going to be hard because they are vaporized if they get caught. There has got to be one person that knows something about something that could teach the proles and get them smart enough to figure out that they need to rebel.

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    The proles worry about little things like cooking pots because they aren't educated enough to worry about things like rebellion. There is nobody to teach the proles anything like the ideas of rebellion, and even if there were the proles probably wouldn't care. Big Brother provides them with the lottery and pornosec, that it all they know, and as far as they're concerned that is all they need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbccvbtfhc View Post
    The proles worry about little things like cooking pots because they aren't educated enough to worry about things like rebellion.
    It's not entirely ignorance. As Russia showed during the Communist era, a lack of goods makes even small luxuries seem like major ones to the masses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foreigner038 View Post
    Yeah it is going to be hard but think about it maybe O'Brien and Winston could teach them and make them smarter. Or Winston could find a person who learned a lot before the revolution that he can have teach some proles at a time and have those proles tell everyone else about there learnings. It is a simple step they need to do but it is going to be hard because they are vaporized if they get caught. There has got to be one person that knows something about something that could teach the proles and get them smart enough to figure out that they need to rebel.
    O'Brien=Thought police=would never teach them
    Winston=brainwashed-loves BigBrother-Dead
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