Two works by Poe decoded. Announcement!!

[jon1jt]

Sonnet to Zante:
Fair isle, that from the fairest of all flowers,
Thy gentlest of all gentle names dost take!
How many memories of what radiant hours
At sight of thee and thine at once awake!
How many scenes of what departed bliss!
How many thoughts of what entombed hopes!
How many visions of a maiden that is
No more- no more upon thy verdant slopes!
No more! alas, that magical sad sound
Transforming all! Thy charms shall please no more-
Thy memory no more! Accursed ground
Henceforth I hold thy flower-enameled shore,
O hyacinthine isle! O purple Zante!
"Isola d'oro! Fior di Levante!"


A series of coincidences brought about the decoding first of the Sonnet and, five years later, of Al Aaraaf.
Inbetween following "classic" riddles, all interrelated and very relevant, were encounterd and finally solved:

D'Anastasy, the "armenian" alchemy papyri collector, consul(1826-?) of Sweden and Norway to Egypt
Cagliostro -Balsamo and "his" Rite of Mizraim
Comte de San Germain, minister of war of Luis XV and XVI (1771-1779)
The designer of the great seal of the USA, a friend and advisor of Ben.Franklin.
The affair of the queen's necklace (1784-1785) that brought about the french revolution (1789-1790)
The Stuart jewels "discovered" by Walter Scott.

A few words on the poems themselves:
Both refer to Zante* and "tell" on Edgar's younger and romantic years that ended some years before the Sonnet was written.
Hence the difference in style: Aaraaf written propably 1826-28 , secretive and elaborated, lengthy, almost epic, a product of the mind, the Sonnet, written in a day, end of 1836, short and sentimental, a product of a troubled yet sincere soul mourning a death that deeply affected him.
The Sonnet refers indeed to the death of young woman, wife of a man Poe had to contact during his diplomatic mission to the Levant early 1827. They greatly impressed Poe and hence, when he learned of the 1835 murder that included both her and other members of the man's family, his world totally collapsed.

Will be answering posts by members who have studied Edgar's life and poetry and raise specific questions on the two poems only.
Will not be revealing details or solutions of said riddles: A book will hopefully be published once a competent (and willing and daring) editor-publisher is found and this information will onlt be revealed there.


*After the fall of Venice to the french, a succesion of protectors ruled the island of Zante (jacobine french, russians allies of the Orttomans then, imperial napoleonic french and finally english 1809). Zante joined Modern Greece in 1864.
Greece was liberated after four centuries of Ottoman occupation with the war for independence 1821-1827.

this thread smells of DaVinci Code!

[yanni]

A "voice in the wilderness" with his smell intact? No way:

Brown's fairy tale has nothing in common with the Announcement.

There is no "rhetoric exaltation" either.

Thanks anyway and my regards to the "de Wits"!

[jon1jt]

A "voice in the wilderness" with his smell intact? No way:

Brown's fairy tale has nothing in common with the Announcement.

There is no "rhetoric exaltation" either.

Thanks anyway and my regards to the "de Wits"!

de who?

[yanni]

The DeWitt-Clintons of my previous post above, that's who.

[yanni]

Whereas the older (pre 1750, Chio+Zante) family blazon depicts an eagle sitting on a castle, its single head turned eastwards, their later Zante(post 1760)-Hydra(1821) symbols are as follows:

The Zante blazon, today displayed center (in a series of other blazons) at the Dion.Salomon Museum, depicts a single snake, its body wound around a blooming Asclepius staff (a tree) its head turned towards the tree blossom: No, it's not the sign of a "blossoming" period of a doctor's history but the biblical serpent -tree of gnosis-apple combination:
The Zante Cochins (or maybe their flexible friends and associates who, with Cochin "assistance", came to power, nobility and fortune after 1835, build much later the Museum and exposed thus their "benefactors") are declaring their cabbalistic philosophy and their hate for Rome using Antonio Cocchi as their next (like they did with Gioachino previously) "frontman".On the other hand Hydra's purple-blue revolutionary flag of Lazaro Musiu, Yanni d'Anastasy's brother, today centrally exhibited at the Maritime Museum of Piraeus, is as follows:

At its center a heavy purple cross is standing on an upturned, rather weak, yellow "croissant", its two points touching the ground, the back curve supporting the cross ready to give in to its weight. To the right of the cross a black anchor upside down, also footed on the croissant, indicating a fleet on the move. A single green snake is wound around the anchors stem, its head reaching over the anchor to a bird, propably a pigeon, feeding the snake or v.v. To the right of anchor+snake duo, the word ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΙΑ (Freedom...).
To the left of the cross a greenish-reddish lance, also footed on the croissant, point up, to its left the words "Η ΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ" (...or Death)

Whereas the anchor-snake flag duo seems to be a development of the Zante symbol, the cross at the flag center as well as the snake surpassing the top of the anchor (previous tree) to find its feed from the bird (commerce/sailing ship instead of the apple, the cross "caught" inbetween "freedom" or "death") indicates a difference in policy and philosophy between the two families. .

This difference becomes obvious when studying the 1784-1821 history of the two:

The "mercer" Cochins, their Zante presence barely noticeable in pre 1800 local records, are resting on their nobility laurels and are associating with their "Lev-Salomon-Balsamo" friends. They, alltogether, become invvollved in local politics from the time the jacobin-french take control of Zante (1797) and, even when "imperial" France occupies the island till 1809, they maintain their alliance to the brit agents and are openly "probrit" thereafter.
Hiding behind An.Martinengo, Zante's dictator (1797-1809), this strange alliance (jacobins, "levs", "noble" Cochins etc) really control the island until the british take over.

The hydrian sailors Cochini, already described herein along with relevant 1770-1791 Hydra history, fly the russian flag (1777 to 1821), supply Napoleon's troops dduring the Egypt campaign and, with their other local and french (Bonforts) captains-relatives, also carry wheat from the Black Sea and Egypt to France. They are obviously in friendly terms with Napoleon (as confirmed by Leiden) not with the hugenot french however:
Russian consul Anastasy Cochini, joining the russian fleet in 1807, confiscates the olive oil cargo of hugenot french consul in Athens Hilarion Couturier and is then persecuted by him and the ottoman admiral (The ottomans become allies of the brits after 1807).

Lazarus's Ypapanti church further reveals, if not their true faith, their new commitment to the eastern christian religion, their belief they are "here to stay", their dissapointment with their previous "french experience".

Also worth to mention the use they make of their name: The Cochins name themselves Cochini in 1750-1837 Zante, the hydrians use the same till 1821 and then hide behind their nicknames (a local custom-practice) "Lazarou", "Orlof", "Musiu", Colochini (Nicolo-Cochini), Malochini(Manolo Cochini), Colmaniote (Nicolo from Mani) etc.

Another difference is in their wealth: The Cochini are described as very wealthy(until they spend all wealth for the greek cause, 1821-1827), the Cochins are not.

Whereas in France the "italians" were under french control, as mentioned, in the Levant the inverse is noticed. Appearing as one family, using Zante as their headquarters and entry-departure port (eschelle-scala) to and from the Adriatic and Hydra-Petsai (and Ipsera) as their strongholds in the Aegean, bases of their revolts against the ottomans, the Zante names (Cochins) are however not to be found anywhere in the Hydra archives or other references.

It is therefore obvious that from 1784 to 1826 the hydrians have the upper hand. Only when the Couturier vs Cochini (1807-1818) files at the french Ministry of Justice are examined it will be made clear if their 1821 revolt was truly "nationalistic" and not the product of an "amicable financial settlement" after the resurrection of their royal Bourbon friends.

[yanni]

The following are worth investigating re E.A.Poe's-Cochini relations before his eastern trip as well as the origins of Guillelmo Cochini, Mehmet Ali's agent in Zante in 1821.
It is fairly obvious anyhow that "Corzine" originates from Cochini=Caussiny etc and that they were jesuits on arrival. The date of the Caussin Manor transfer deed by William Caussin is missing from the web: It might reveal the american origins of Guillelmo.

DESCRIPTION: This folder [101 S6-16] consists of land documents (1728-1905) pertaining to St. Thomas Manor and the surrounding vicinity. Items include the following: Certificate (1728/9) of sale for Mankins Adventure; Indenture (1730) between Stephen Mankins and Peter Attwood, S.J.; Map (1649) of addition or resurvey of Caussin's Manor; Certificate of survey for Nicholas Caussin's land; Copy of remarks (1905) with Caussin's maps; Plat of south line and of Caussin's Manor; Extract from William Caussin's deed to Upgate Reeves; Remarks (1747) on the land of Upgate Reeves and the part of it sold by Thomas Reeves to Richard Molyneux, S.J.; Certificate (1762) concerns Caussin's Manor; Plat of Upgate Reeves land; Plat of land sold by Thomas Reeves to Fr. Molyneux (1748); Indenture (1815) between Thomas Courtney Reeves and Francis Neale, S.J.; Deed (1905) from Patrick F. Healy, S.J., to the Corporation of Roman Catholic Clergymen.

The Suppression of the Society altered but little the status of the Jesuits in Maryland. As they were the only priests in the mission, they still remained at their posts, the nine English members, until death, all continuing to labor under Father John Lewis who after the Suppression had received the powers of vicar-general from Bishop Calloner of the London District. Only two of them survived until the restoration of the Society--Robert Molyneux and John Bolton. Many of those who were abroad, labouring in England or studying in Belgium, returned to work in the mission. As a corporate body, they still retained the properties from which they derived support for their religious ministrations. As their numbers decreased, some of the missions were abandoned, or served for a time by other priests, but maintained by the revenues of the Jesuits properties even after the Restoration of the Society. Though these properties were regarded as reverting to it through its former members organized as the Corporation of Roman Catholic clergymen, a yearly allowance from the revenues made over to Archbishop Carroll became during Bishop Maréchal's administration (1817-34) the basis of a claim for such a payment in perpetuity and the dispute thus occasioned was not settled until 1838 under Archbishop Eccleston.

Re: John Corzine b. 1873 NC to Union Co IL
Posted by: Russell Earl Corzine Date: August 19, 2000 at 18:08:01
In Reply to: Re: John Corzine b. 1873 NC to Union Co IL by GARY LE ANN CORZINE of 270

John Corzine was bondsman for Siles Corzine ans Jean Bluster, who married in 1810 in Cabarrus Co NC. Their son William Riley Corzine moved with his family of many to Union Co. IL in the 1820's. Was John, Silas' Father? John Cursine, born about 1710 was the father of John, Nicholas, and George Corzine, Born in the 1730's in Cecil Co. MD, Wife Deborah. John & she later in Winchester VA in 1754, sometimes called Cozine then. After 1757, three boys etc in NC, Rowan Co & etc. Name usually misspelled. I believe Primogenitor of family in America was Nicholas Causin arrived MD colony by 1637. Married widow of John Cockshott, Jane, was English. Nicholas son of Nicholas Caussin, in Jesuit order, born 1582 France. In French Biography printed mid 1800's. Ignatius, Son of Nicholas, Signed his name Cursine in 1660's Maryland (and many other ways.)

[jon1jt]

i'm curious, what does your position add to the prevailing literature? and where are your footnotes?

From a pure research standpoint, troubling is that you make such broad-sweeping and crude statements throughout to substantiate claims, such as this one:

"The difference becomes obvious when studying the 1784-1821 history of the two"

Obvious? Whose history? C'mon.

I also see little or no conceptualization of terms, and there's no research design, just specious interpretation.

[yanni]

First define "prevailing", next "literature", then the combination of the two please.

Bibliography: It will be annexed on conclusion .

[yanni]

Finding "Caussin's manor" in such select neighborhood was both inspiring and challenging, thus:

30/4/1784 Saint Germain's (=A.H.Cochin=Gioachino Cocchi) funeral with 54 years of age, is witnessed by his cousins Jean Phillipe Hippolite Lambert, coseiller du roi et Hery Cochin, avocat.

Jaques Denis Cochin's "Spiritual Writings", a posthumous work published by his brother (Paris, 1784). Cochin is noted especially for his philanthropy. The needs of his own parish suggested the foundation of a hospital. The idea, conceived in 1780, resulted in the completion of a building 1784 of which The Sisters of Charity took charge.

On June 23, 1784 the Bavarian Elector, Karl Theodor, published an edict forbidding his subjects to be members of secret or unauthorized associations.

Carroll, John 1735 - 1815:
A member of the Jesuit order who was born in Maryland, founded Georgetown College, and became the first archbishop of Baltimore in 1808.
Georgetown University records:

Carroll, John - Correspondence (Box: 23 Fold: 11)
ALS (transcript) from John Carroll to Cardinal Leonardo Antonelli, dated 3/1/1785. ALS (transcript in hand of Shea) from Rev. Robert Molyneux to Carroll, dated 3/28/1785. 1 ALS (transcript in hand of Shea) from Carroll to Rev. Charles Whelan, dated 4/16/1785.
(Antonelli:In addition to the responsible posts already mentioned, he filled those of grand penitentiary, prefect of the Signature of Justice and of the Congregation of the Index, and pro-secretary of Briefs. He assisted in the preparation of the Concordat, and was present at the election of Pope Pius VII in 1800, whom he later accompanied to Paris in 1804.As such Antonelli's decision saved later on Cagliostro from execution)

A general Convent of Masons (Strict Observance) in France and abroad was convoked by the secret committee for February 15, 1785. Savalette de Langes was elected president.

Carroll, John - Correspondence (Box: 23 Fold:12)

1 ALS to John Carroll from the Sacred Congregation of di Propaganda Fide, dated 7/23/1785. 1 AL from Carroll to Rev. Francis Neale, dated 6/17/1785. 1 AL (transcript) from Carroll to Neale, dated 6/17/1785.

(Ben.Franklin leaves Passy July 1785)

Carroll, John - Correspondence (Box: 23 Fold: 13)

1 ALS from John Carroll to Rev. John Causse, dated 8/16/1785

In (crude) conclusion: John "Causse", obviously a Cochin-Caussin, justifies the ommission of the date of the deed of tranfer of the Upgate Reeves property to Maryland authorities!!!.

Furthermore:

As Jean d'Anastasy, papyri collector, was himself a "Caussin", the family link to the jesuit order (at the time persecuted in Europe but finding its way in USA) evidently explains E.A.Poe's "eastern expedition" original purpose making his "Quaker" personality a cover.
Edgar's irish origins as well as his relations to Carey (Carey and Lea, publishers)......
Carey, Mathew 1760 - 1839:Philadelphia publisher, writer, and promoter of the "American System".
Born in Dublin, Ireland and became an anti-British newspaper editor there. Fled to the U.S. where he settled in Philadelphia, founded the Pennsylvania Herald in 1785, and the Columbian Magazine in 1786. He became a very prominent publisher, and a well-known advocate of the "American System", of federally-backed internal improvements and protective tariffs on manufactured goods, to build up the U.S. as a manufacturing nation with a strong internal commerce. In late 1814, at the low point for the U.S., of the War of 1812, he published the Olive Branch, aimed at stiffening American resolve, and reconciling the Federalists who had mostly opposed it, and the Republicans (Jeffersonians) who had prosecuted the war (though they obstructed earlier defensive measures). The book was praised by Thomas Jefferson, and quoted by Robert Y. Hayne (in an attack on the Federalists) in his famous Senate debate with Daniel Webster.
.....places Edgar center among the "Jesuit" side and in direct opposition to...

Clinton, De Witt (Mar. 2, 1769 - Feb. 11, 1828):
Governor of New York State 1817-1822 and 1824-27. mayor of New York City 1803-7, 1809-10 and 1811-14, candidate for president in 1812, founder and one of the first presidents of the Literary and Philosophical Society in New York. Van Buren and Clinton both supported Andrew Jackson

Yes, definitely, the subject did not belong to the poetry forum and propably not to "General Literature" either, so why don't you (administrator) just totally remove it?

BTW As sole judges of your "prevailing literature" thing, viewers have already rated this thread accordingly!

[ShoutGrace]

and there's no research design, just specious interpretation.

It's not interpretation, it's decoding.

[yanni]

Greek words and phrases may have a different interpretation than what your dictionaries tell you, viewer:

"Hypocrisis", etymologicaly, means judgement (applause or rejection) from "below":

Artists (actors=ethopoioi (grk)=moral makers) taking part in theatrical performances were under such criticism by the spectators and as such, originaly, a "hypocrite" was the spectator not the actor.

"Idiocy", on the other hand, originaly meant the particular characteristics of a person or a group of persons. Hence "idiom" meaning the (different) language such person or group speak, often "barbaric" (bar-bar=blah-blah) ie difficult to understand.

As such, the phrase "Hypocritical idiocy" should mean the distance the spectators-judges decide to create between themselves and the idiotic (barbaric etc) artist unable to recreate and transmit "ethos".
Same thing for an author and his readers or the people of a society and their leaders.
When the actor becomes himself the "hypocrite", as the term has developed today, his "idiocy" is "hypocriticized" by noone in particular thus a floppy a theatrical performance is often applauded by the idiotic crowds.

Hence the reluctance of our "outspoken hypocrites" to explain that "literature", originating from latin liTTeratura, always meant the vehicle conveying garbage (animal dung etc) to feed the crowds thus extracting their applause, thus "prevailing".

There have never been any "literary" claims for this Announcement, the subjects of interest where defined from the beginning and obviously this has been an "instant online research" kind of thing, "original" in as much as the subject is important historicaly and the "author" constrained by his own limitations and his bias (blood relations) towards his "heroes".

[yanni]

Hypercritical to the rare hypocrite disassociating himself from one of the fathers of his nation, here comes via the web Benjamin Franklin, in friendly terms as seen with the printers-artists Cochins, to document his friendship with the protestant "Causses" also:

"THE WAY TO WEALTH, OR, POOR RICHARD IMPROVED; LA SCIENCE.....
Paris: printed for A.A. Renouard (printed by P. Causse, Dijon), 1795. 12mo. (4), 181, (5) pp. Engraved frontispiece portrait. First edition thus. Some copies include a separately paginated 28-page section "Observations sur les Sauvages du Nord de l'Amerique" (OCLC locates about equal numbers, with and without). Sabin 25596: "Beautifully printed. The letters to Franklin above mentioned are private, and addressed to Madame **, dated Passy, 1778 and 1779"

Also see http://www.whrb.org/pg/MayJun2003.html re Hummels compositions-performances:
1820: Fantasy for Viola and Orchestra, Op. 94; Causse, Causse, Soloists of Montepellier-Moscow (EMI)

as well as http://www.causse.de/hist/personen.html documenting the french (Montpelier, Negrepelisse, Lanquedoc) origins of the "Causse" family, theology
experts http://www.protestants.org/textes/fa...ite-causse.htm
recognising their southeastern origins at
http://perso.orange.fr/mariefb/fabien/fabien.htm

The question is therefore not on the identity of Georgetown, Maryland Rev John Causse as such but on his choice to use the protestant family name while serving in a jesuit order "abroad" in 1784-5!

Considering the fact that 1782 the Rite of Mizraim was the "haute couture" product of "nation building" design by Rev Causse's "eastern" family (also known as "parenti" in hermetic circles) and their friends and distinguished employees ("Walsamos" and his monumental attempt to "biblical immortality"!) and, as such design can be seen today on the Great Seal, the answer should be a "no brainer" even to the remaining few "Sauvages du Nord de l'Amerique", "hypers" and "hypos" alike!

So stay the course viewer and let footnotes to footmen!

[jon1jt]

First define "prevailing", next "literature", then the combination of the two please.

Bibliography: It will be annexed on conclusion .

Prevailing literature consists of a body of scholarly research established by a community of thinkers, which has come to be recognized as "authoritive" against which all work is measured for reliability and verifiability, and consistently referred to as such.

I see absolutely nothing here of the sort.

Grace: "decoding"? lol:

[yanni]

Constitution Française, présentée au roi par l'assemblée nationale, le 3 septembre 1791. Dijon, imprimerie de P. Causse,
[FRENCH REVOLUTION]
Sm. 8vo. [2]ff. 83pp. Original paper wrappers, uncut (backed with later paper). 1791

Published in the same year as the édition originale. The seven sections of the Constitution are preceded by the declaration of the rights of man, and the work ends with the moving letter sent by Louis XVI on 13 September giving his reasons for accepting the revolutionary constitution, together with his promise that he would appear on the 14th before the Assemblée Nationale to accept it formally.

[yanni]

The official site of the french "National Press" insist that by 1792 L'Imprimerie royale, devenue Imprimerie du Louvre en 1790 puis Imprimerie nationale exécutive, quitte le Louvre où elle était installée depuis 1640. http://www.imprimerienationale.fr/im...&IdNav=groupe5

Their timeline, immediately after, reads as follows:

1795 Les deux imprimeries officielles sont regroupées à l'Hôtel de Penthièvre sous le vocable L'Imprimerie de la République.
1809 L’Imprimerie impériale s’installe à l’Hôtel de Rohan.
Commencent à paraître les 23 volumes de la Description de l'Egypte.
1813 Décret prévoyant la formation des compositeurs orientalistes.

The following publications however contradict their 1792 date of moving away from Louvre :

France. Convention nationale. Décret de la Convention nationale, du 6 mars 1793 … qui approuve les mesures prises par les commissaires nationaux Polverel & Santhonax dans la colonie de Saint-Domingue. Paris, Imprimerie nationale Exécutive du Louvre, 1793. 2 p. ; 25 cm.
Call Number: 1793 France 7

France. Convention nationale. Décret de la Convention nationale … portant que les tabacs fabriqués & les tafias en entrepôt dans les ports, seront admis dans circulation intérieure, en payant les droits d’entrée. Paris, Imprimerie Nationale exécutive du Louvre, 1793. 2 p. ; 25 cm.
Call Number: 1793 France 3

In any case, the P.Causse Dijon press 1791 publication of the Constitution Française, présentée au roi par l'assemblée nationale, le 3 septembre 1791 certainly places the "Causses" to the top of the- publishers at least- revolutionary hierarchy.

In their same Dijon press they next publish

France. Convention nationale. Decret de la Convention nationale, du quatrieme jour de germinal, l’an second … [i.e. 24 mars 1794], qui prescrit les formalités à observer de la part des militaires qui réclament une indemnité pour leurs équipages de guerre pris par l’ennemi. Dijon, P. Causse [1794?] 4 p., 25 cm. Call Number: 1794 Fr 1

All above reconfirm conclusions drawn from our previous "Blazons" post and further lead us to interpret the Georgetown-John Caroll-Rev. John Causse 8/16/1785 1784 correspondence as follows:

Rev John Causse, a hugenot priest, did not belong to the Jesuit order of Rev.John Caroll. The fact they did correspond nevertheless, at such critical times, is most indicatory of their "true dogma"-their common "national" interest-whereas the unknown date of/and transfer itself of the Upgate Reeves property are certainly consequent to their subject of correspondence, the "Jacob Lange masonic files discovery" and the consequet "dogmatic" implications and what to do about "it all"....

As from this side we have no further interest on the matter (the USA-Greece IOU conclusion already long drawn thanks to Edgar), we leave relevant research to our american friends, philosophes, scholars and authorities alike, to return to the Causses (the tone on e) of Hydra, first greek revolutionary admirals.