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Good idea Janine. Which poem are we up to? Cool story. It's nice to have a lake behind one's house. ;)

Yes I agree it gets more serious now.


What do you think the effect is of the repetitions? I don't think it's just for emphasis, though it's that too.


I think the repetition of "his"...

Ok, with me. :)

I enjoyed this stanza, She holds the pwer in the relationship and the young male tortoise is so accepting of her. At least here. I love the word "dapper" here. :lol: It seems to say so much.

I'm caught up. :D

I agree with everything that has been said. Of the Tortoise poems, this does seem different. Notice these lines:

This I think is the only one of the poems where the poet...

Who's Manny? :alien:

No go on with the poem, I'll catch up.

Oh I think it means He and She. That makes a lot of sense.

Ok, I've read the poem once and I need to read it again. But what does the title "Lui et Elle" mean? Is that a man's and woman's name? Are we doing this in sections too? We should post the entire...

I apologize for not participating yet. I will get into it tonight, I promise.

Thank God. All of a sdden there I thought Lawrence was into transexualism. :p

Wait, is it "HE is large and matronly" or "She is large and matronly"?

Sounds good. Monday is perfect.

Perhaps we should do the next one now Janine. It might make sense to get one under our belt before we do a short story. I doubt ktd is coming back shortly, if at all. Were we going in poem...

What ever happened to KTD? She was such a nice young lady. I noticed she hasn't been on since early March. I miss her. :(

On behalf of everyone who participated in this discussion, thank you Eileen. I hope to resume and complete the discussion on Lawrence's Tortoise poems. Perhaps shortly. Hopefully you can join us...

ktd, I know by just looking at those references in this poem, you might be led to think that Lawrence was a traditional Christian, but he was not. He evolved to be quite paganesk. As Janine can...

Perhaps it's time for the next poem if we are going to study the series.

You had a good day then Janine. :thumbs_up I'll still look for a traditional text of Kangaroo for you.

Wow, ktd and Janine - Those two last posts of your are excellent. Kudos.


I agree with all, that the pattern is emblematic for the universal order and connected to its system. I don't think,...

I did a little reseach on Lawrence's Tortoise poems and I wanted to share it with you. The Tortoise poems are a sequence of six poems that Lawrence wrote and first published as a small bookl called...

I did read it Janine and found it helpful. I think your comment here is right on. I agree Lawrence is trying to interconnect all of creation and yet the tortoise is an animal with a will. I think...

That is great work KTD!!! :thumbs_up :thumbs_up Two thumbs up. A picture says it all. So do you think he's just putting into words the natural reality, or do you think there is some numerology...

Lots of number in the poem, but I agree, five seems to be the most important. I have no idea why exactly. Here is where he brings together the cross symbol and the number five:

In what way is...

Oh I am interested in the numerology. Yes i vaguely remember Lawrence talking about the number seven in Apocalypse. Let me know what page numbers you are looking at I will dig out my copy and read...

There are some things I understand in this poem and some things I don't get. The striking thing is the numerology and what it means. Perhaps this is the core:

So much mathematical numbers. Very...

Yes, lt's get the next poem. :)