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    Hey Bazarov, that was an attempt at humour from...

    Hey Bazarov, that was an attempt at humour from myself, Vladikavkaz is a cheap brand of Vodka in England, many people use it here for the purpose of much merriment at little cost.:D

    O.K Richier,...
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    Also at the end of Homage to Catalonia after...

    Also at the end of Homage to Catalonia after Orwell has been shot in the neck he rushes to a Government office to try and ensure the freedom of his commanding general in the frontline. It is only...
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    I think you can say it was described as if it was...

    I think you can say it was described as if it was general knowledge but that does not mean it was general knowledge, that is open to interpretation. Then you say later on in the book when we...
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    Sticky: I think you are right but its been somewhat...

    I think you are right but its been somewhat perverted by Big Brother the reality show and the use of Orwellianist type language to describe Authoritarian politics. But Hey Enjoi, do not know where...
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    Think it was called thought or sex crime 1984 by...

    Think it was called thought or sex crime 1984 by the Eurythmics. If memory allows i think Dave Stewart composed a whole album to go with the movie release of the same year 1984. Do not know if the...
  6. Thread: The Prole Song

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    Yes, his looks toward Julia and O'Brien and his...

    Yes, his looks toward Julia and O'Brien and his secret diary's words stirred in him his dreams of Liberty




    It may give a idea of the musical style. And you cant beat a good old cockney knees...
  7. Just a quick one but i think you are correct...

    Just a quick one but i think you are correct leaders are poltically very astute people. They will try to initiate an almost totalitarian political state but they will dress it up in a new guise,not...
  8. How about the constant war in Oceania and its...

    How about the constant war in Oceania and its almost non existence in reality, and the war on terror of today that has no quantifiable effect but has bought about the Patriot act in the usa and an...
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    Yes i think was big brother was undoubtedly evil...

    Yes i think was big brother was undoubtedly evil if you take your definition, they were morally objectionable, and to rob one man of his humanity, could their be any greater evil?



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    His generosity, He was a self made man, Smart and...

    His generosity, He was a self made man, Smart and intelligent, would have been fantastic company and was a romantiscist and idealist.
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    Those who seek power in itself without the...

    Those who seek power in itself without the desire for the power of knowledge alone, must be regarded with the utmost suspicion. As they will no doubt restrict our freedom. ;):D
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    I think its because O'Brien and the ministry had...

    I think its because O'Brien and the ministry had cured him of his unorthodoxy, victory for the the party and bb. They never vapourised any cured polits. They let them carry on as shells of their...
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    Sticky: Hopefully they would be as we would all be very...

    Hopefully they would be as we would all be very well educated. Our goal would be to bring Oxford standard education to the proletariat. Tremble, elite, tremble.





    Yes i agree Enjoi, It...
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    Do you mean that in the middle of the night you...

    Do you mean that in the middle of the night you sneaked up to the barn with a tin of paint and brush and changed the meaning of the word oligarch to suit the needs of the party, if so that was...
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    Homage to Catalonia

    I am only part way through this book at present, but it has struck me that Orwell whatever his situation could almost always see humour in his situation.

    He frequently sticks his head up above the...
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    Not always Bazarov, we have had much...

    Not always Bazarov, we have had much correspondence over the word oligarch, and in the end you admitted you may have got the meaning not exactly correct.:D
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    Sticky: Comrades !!!!!! (Orwell may have seen my attempt...

    Comrades !!!!!! (Orwell may have seen my attempt at wit there).

    Freedom and Liberty for all humanity, I would love to live in a world without interference from government. In my opinion the...
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    Yes Enjoi i agree, i think you will really enjoy...

    Yes Enjoi i agree, i think you will really enjoy coming up for air. To me and i do not know if you will agree, that it is more relevant today than when it was written. Orwell seemed to never write a...
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    Sticky: Yes Longsocks, but it is worth looking at the...

    Yes Longsocks, but it is worth looking at the book from another point of view which has been discussed here. That as has been calculated that 99.88% of the people of Oceania were happy. It was only a...
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    Hey sus001! Take heed and...

    Hey sus001!
    Take heed and warning, if you do decide to read 1984 again be prepared to just almost continually think about the so many diffferent positions and inerpretations that can...
  21. Thread: Thought Police

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    Sticky: Hey Bazarov, you cannot use the modern usage of...

    Hey Bazarov,
    you cannot use the modern usage of the word oligarch as the modern usage was not relevant when Orwell constructed goldstein's book. Could it be argued, F scott fitzgerald and the great...
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    Thankyou for your thoughtful and intelligent...

    Thankyou for your thoughtful and intelligent replies, they need careful digestion by myself and a daydream of consideration at least, to give replies back to your standards. I do find the subject of...
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    Religious people do seem happier yes, i agree...

    Religious people do seem happier yes, i agree they must have an inner warmth and contentedness in their belief that makes them feel safe and righteous. but many do thrive on fear of non-believers and...
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    Thanks atheist and bazarov, you have inspired...

    Thanks atheist and bazarov, you have inspired more thoughts in me which i will post later on, duty calls!
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    You could go with the dystopia/utopia argument....

    You could go with the dystopia/utopia argument. Both books describe future societies, one i think scientific the other totalitarian.
    There are many arguments and comparisons to be made i think....
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