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    In the video I linked, Oscar Horta (who by the...

    In the video I linked, Oscar Horta (who by the way is not a utilitarian but an egalitarian rather) explains some ways in which we could (and in fact do) help wild animals already. We vaccinate them...
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    Those who have been discussing animal welfare and...

    Those who have been discussing animal welfare and the wild might find the following video highly interesting, starting from 17:00 (not earlier) onwards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGg3Hqp_kbk
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    Food and the Wild

    Interesting discussion so far!

    First of all, I fully agree that horse racing is unnecessary cruelty, merely for our enjoyment, and that we should make it illegal. (I don't buy the objection that...
  4. Thread: Altruism

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    If you keep asking for ultimate justification,...

    If you keep asking for ultimate justification, every altruistic act will end up stemming from a motive that benefits the doer in some way. That can be simply the motive of doing "what is right",...
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    To all those who think a good God wouldn't create...

    To all those who think a good God wouldn't create suffering, may I ask a follow-up question?

    Given that the ways in which we humans could intervene in nature are becoming more and more "god-like"...
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    "Practical Ethics" by Peter Singer. May well be...

    "Practical Ethics" by Peter Singer. May well be the most important book you'll ever read. And even if you disagree and if people will say it's a crazy book, it'll be interesting to read, as opposed...
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    Ramblings of an Atheist Consequentialist

    (Most) humans do have empathy, so there are tendencies for altruism. Humans also have tendencies to fall into a strong in-group out-group mentality, which will be bad for the outgroup though. If...
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    Does that mean you think that robots and...

    Does that mean you think that robots and machines, as OrphanPip pointed out, are sentient?


    [My emphasis]

    That's my view as well, the mere act of eating dead flesh isn't problematic because...
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    Some robots can do these things too, even with...

    Some robots can do these things too, even with the current level of technology. Is it wrong to turn them off? Just because something can do fancy stuff doesn't mean it's sentient.



    Ha, sorry...
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    Yes, I think that can be a valid criticism for...

    Yes, I think that can be a valid criticism for some veg*ans. But if the reason for not caring about insects is that people think they're not sentient, then that's not hypocricy. Instead, it would be...
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    Yeah, what I meant was that cockroaches die in...

    Yeah, what I meant was that cockroaches die in ways that would be painful if they are sentient.



    I haven't read Harris' essay, but I probably agree with most of it.
    I don't think free will...
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    Have you watched some factory farm documentaries?...

    Have you watched some factory farm documentaries?

    It may be true that for a lot of people, being veg*an is more about how they themselves feel. Just like donating to charities can be that. But...
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    Long post worth reading

    I don't think vegetarians are necessarily hypocrites, but it is the case that all the good arguments for not eating meat also apply to other animal products. So self-righteous vegetarians do seem...
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    Poll: (I think Singer actually ends up denying that...

    (I think Singer actually ends up denying that this should be the last generation.)

    Why should the good come naturally? I can imagine that our (world)views on nature differ significantly. My view:...
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    Poll: Sure, but the fact that an ethical view is...

    Sure, but the fact that an ethical view is "demanding" can't speak against it, at least not according to my unerstanding of ethics. Ethics shouldn't just work for Homo sapiens, but for any possible...
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    Poll: Yes. An equally good alternative would be to...

    Yes. An equally good alternative would be to ensure that no being will ever be in severe suffering anymore.
    I saw the movie, great photography indeed.

    You can't really end up with...
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    Poll: Doing some ethics

    The problem with killing and eating the unhappy ones is that you generate demand that way. At least when we're talking about buying food that leads to that consequence. The producers will then just...
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    Poll: If it's given the same care a good mother would...

    If it's given the same care a good mother would give to her baby. Without the hugging and physical contact, what I mean is that the animal doesn't have to undergo procedures where mothers would...
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    Poll: I answered "Yes. I'm hardcore. I refuse to eat...

    I answered "Yes. I'm hardcore. I refuse to eat anything that comes from any animal in any way." because it's closest to my stance, but it's not entirely accurate. For instance, I wouldn't mind eating...
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    May I add that all the male chicks in egg...

    May I add that all the male chicks in egg production are gassed or shreddered alive right after hatching, because they're of no use to the egg industry? It's almost impossible to find chicken breeds...
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    I think that there's absolutely nothing wrong...

    I think that there's absolutely nothing wrong with non existence. The dead can't be harmed. Furthermore, I don't think any amount of happiness can outweigh serious suffering, even when it's only...
  22. Thread: Organic Food

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    True. It's a pity because GM would be a very...

    True. It's a pity because GM would be a very promising technology. I know organics people will hate me for the following, but I think the best (healthiest, most efficient, environmental) way to do...
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    I read this one a long time ago, so I can only...

    I read this one a long time ago, so I can only recall the vague sentiment I had at the time of reading it:

    I liked the premise of the novel, rational protagonist with a rational perspective on...
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    Good explanations, Rores28. I'd like to add...

    Good explanations, Rores28.

    I'd like to add that with 'goodness', Harris basically means 'well-being' of individuals. And because FGM in most cases causes a lot of unnecessary suffering, it's bad....
  25. Thread: Vegetarianism

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    Cyberbob, well said. I'm not a libertarian, but I...

    Cyberbob, well said. I'm not a libertarian, but I find it great that veganism is so obvious that people from all kinds of ethical views arrive at it.



    I already wrote above how eating meat, if...
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