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Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi
That's like keeping the door open. In all due respect, in faith that's wishy washy. I can't say, I kinda believe Jesus Christ died for my sins. Either I believe it or I don't.
Of course, no one can prove anything.
In the natural world, you can prove things by the senses or disprove it.
In the supernatural (God's realm) with belief, it's different.
You believe in something you can't tangibly prove to a non-believer. It's called faith.
Yep. You believe, I don't. We're in agreeance, no?
Bertrand Russell put forward a fairly sound definition of what agnosticism is http://atheistempire.com/mm_dl/text/...20Agnostic.pdf
I enjoy how that is written like a brochure. You can imagine the front cover: SO YOU'VE DECIDED TO BE AN AGNOSTIC - and a very confused stick figure with a floating question mark above his head.
I don't like to be referred as wishy washy myself. Some of us don't make the existence of God a number one priority in our lives. So I have a spiritual self and admit the answer to such questions are totally beyond my thinking and I can be content living as a good person trusting that in death I am bound to discover what is and what isn't. For some people black and white answers are imperative. It isn't like that for others.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowsCool
Yes, on this we agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi
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Originally Posted by ShadowsCool
How is creation and evolution reconciled if one is to do with God and the other is to do with Champs?Quote:
Charles Darnay;1134330]I don't think this can work. It's like trying to reconcile the story of Creation as it appears in the Bible and the theory of evolution - I have seen it done, but it doesn't work.
One is a parameter of the other surely.
The question is:
What does one call one those who do not believe in evolution and would it be in the same line as one that does not believe in God?
Are we saying denial is the same as not believing?
Six days? for a God that is powerful it seems to have taken him/her quite a while...I would have thought it was created quicker then that, no offence.Quote:
"Well," they say, "you see, when it says that God created the world in six days, those are days according to God's perception of time, not ours. Therefore the six days could have been billions of years, as evolution theory posits."
what about those who believe there is a God but do not believe in what is written?Quote:
"No," says I, "that is a cop-out. Get off the fence."
You could reject God, but if you believe God exists and what is written is true, you are not an Atheist.
Haha....how about this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles Darnay
Can you turn agnostic after you have been a believer ?
This is a bit off topic, but why does everybody always bash fence-sitters? The fence is the best place to be, you're elevated enough to see both sides clearly. I think everyone should at least start out on the fence for each issue until they've seen all there is to see, and no one should berate them to get off until they're good and ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles Darnay
I've wondered about that as well, but I've always seen this as a story with perhaps some moral underlying it rather than what actually happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by cacian
If I understand the big bang correctly, the universe was created in 10^(-43) seconds. Of course it took many years after that to get itself settled into place enough to support life.
Just because He chose to create everything in six days doesn't mean that He was unable to do it more quickly. There is some profound symbolism in what was created on each day. It's a teaching method. He took about 4.000 years to bring Christ to the earth. One could ask why He took so long.Quote:
Originally Posted by cacian
I don't agree that atheist believe that there could be a God. That's more the agnostic's opinion. Atheism is the contrary position to theism. As such, atheists reject the belief in all deities. There isn't much difference in rejecting a belief and not believing, other than semantics.
I always assumed it took six days for two reasons: it explains the seven day week, and it's more interesting, in a literary sense.
How does it explain the seven days?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi
I thought I heard somewhere that one has to go with the hand ( five fingers/five days).
How is it literally interesting?